Quote from: oZma on February 08, 2013, 09:57:20 PM
that's your opinion of what would happen if we were free from the oligarchy coercive government
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Anarchists do not pretend to know how humans will or should form their social structures and communities. Anarchists believe that such choices must belong strictly to each group of people, but also believe that all such choices must be based upon free association and voluntary exchange. With thousands of existing different worldviews, anarchists accept and embrace that many different communities would exist in anarchy.

1. It's not an opinion; it's a fact. Those are your only two options in a case to establish guilt of an infraction. Either create a system or just do what you as a group feel like doing.
2. If everyone is entitled to free association and voluntary exchange, that is, by definition, chaos. Everyone does what they want. Wants are volatile, and volatility is chaos.

Quote from: oZma on February 08, 2013, 09:59:55 PM
and the best way to make money is not to use the cheapest materials... it's to create REPEAT customers (i.e. not dead ones)

Once again, once you make your money, it doesn't matter if people come back. You got the money, and any criminal act can easily be gotten away with in anarchy.

Quote from: Heather on February 08, 2013, 10:04:45 PM
I just prefer some order to the chaos you want.

Anarchy does not mean chaos, disorder, and bomb throwing.
Anarchy does not mean no law or order, but ordered liberty.

That's what anarchist say, yet that's not true. Anarchy is, by definition, chaos. There are no standards.

Quote from: DianaP on February 08, 2013, 10:05:46 PM
1. It's not an opinion; it's a fact. Those are your only two options in a case to establish guilt of an infraction. Either create a system or just do what you as a group feel like doing.
2. If everyone is entitled to free association and voluntary exchange, that is, by definition, chaos. Everyone does what they want. Wants are volatile, and volatility is chaos.

Once again, once you make your money, it doesn't matter if people come back. You got the money, and any criminal act can easily be gotten away with in anarchy.

did you read this part?  every community can decide for THEMSELVES how to deal with it!! gosh

Anarchists do not pretend to know how humans will or should form their social structures and communities. Anarchists believe that such choices must belong strictly to each group of people, but also believe that all such choices must be based upon free association and voluntary exchange. With thousands of existing different worldviews, anarchists accept and embrace that many different communities would exist in anarchy.

Quote from: DianaP on February 08, 2013, 10:06:58 PM
That's what anarchist say, yet that's not true. Anarchy is, by definition, chaos. There are no standards.

he said, she said... this is what you say...

Quote from: DianaP on February 08, 2013, 10:06:58 PM
That's what anarchist say, yet that's not true. Anarchy is, by definition, chaos. There are no standards.

lol, thanks for defining anarchy, wouldn't want to let any anarchists have a crack at defining it for themselves, since, y'know, it's their movement 'n all

Quote from: oZma on February 08, 2013, 10:06:10 PM
Anarchy does not mean chaos, disorder, and bomb throwing.
Anarchy does not mean no law or order, but ordered liberty.

What have you been smoking? And who's running this ordered liberty? No matter what there is always a top dog it's human nature and your fooling yourself to think otherwise.

Quote from: DianaP on February 08, 2013, 10:05:46 PM

2. If everyone is entitled to free association and voluntary exchange, that is, by definition, chaos. Everyone does what they want. Wants are volatile, and volatility is chaos.

cha·os noun \ˈkā-ˌäs\

Definition of CHAOS

obsolete : chasm, abyss

a : often capitalized : a state of things in which chance is supreme; especially : the confused unorganized state of primordial matter before the creation of distinct forms — compare cosmos
b : the inherent unpredictability in the behavior of a complex natural system (as the atmosphere, boiling water, or the beating heart)

a : a state of utter confusion <the blackout caused chaos throughout the city>
b : a confused mass or mixture <a chaos of television antennas>


Anarchy is not confusion.
Anarchy does not mean chaos, disorder, and bomb throwing.
Anarchy does not mean no law or order, but ordered liberty.

Quote from: oZma on February 08, 2013, 10:09:11 PM
Anarchists do not pretend to know how humans will or should form their social structures and communities. Anarchists believe that such choices must belong strictly to each group of people, but also believe that all such choices must be based upon free association and voluntary exchange. With thousands of existing different worldviews, anarchists accept and embrace that many different communities would exist in anarchy.

Quote from: oZma on February 08, 2013, 10:15:00 PM
Anarchy is not confusion.
Anarchy does not mean chaos, disorder, and bomb throwing.
Anarchy does not mean no law or order, but ordered liberty.

No matter how many times you say it, it's still false. 

Besides, a majority of the people on the world think that the best system is govt. Therefore, we decided for ourselves. If you want anarchy, go start your own independent commune.

Quote from: transtrender on February 08, 2013, 10:11:37 PM
lol, thanks for defining anarchy, wouldn't want to let any anarchists have a crack at defining it for themselves, since, y'know, it's their movement 'n all

I was pointing out a contradiction in their definition. Free association = doing what you want. Wants are not constant among people. Therefore, wants are fluid, and fluidity means chaos. It's not my fault that they can't define something properly. 

Besides, it's my right as an individual to define anarchy however I choose, or do you not like that? See how ineffective anarchy is?

Quote from: Heather on February 08, 2013, 10:12:47 PM
What have you been smoking? And who's running this ordered liberty? No matter what there is always a top dog it's human nature and your fooling yourself to think otherwise.

individuals... groups... communities themselves will decide for themselves... how many times do i need to say this?  actually i'm not... i can't keep repeating myself if you aren't willing to grasp the ideas of being free without rulers

Quote from: DianaP on February 08, 2013, 10:16:32 PM
Besides, it's my right as an individual to define anarchy however I choose, or do you not like that? See how ineffective anarchy is?

you're silly

Quote from: transtrender on February 08, 2013, 10:11:37 PM
lol, thanks for defining anarchy, wouldn't want to let any anarchists have a crack at defining it for themselves, since, y'know, it's their movement 'n all

thumbs up

Quote from: oZma on February 08, 2013, 10:18:54 PM
you're silly

Can't come up with anything to counteract a good point, so why not just call the other side silly? 

Quote from: oZma on February 08, 2013, 10:19:12 PM
thumbs up

yo, can we start an anarchosyndicalist commune, i feel like that'd be awesome

Quote from: DianaP on February 08, 2013, 10:20:18 PM
Can't come up with anything to counteract a good point, so why not just call the other side silly? 

because all you do is redefine my words and then tell me i'm wrong

Quote from: oZma on February 08, 2013, 10:17:24 PM
individuals... groups... communities themselves will decide for themselves... how many times do i need to say this?  actually i'm not... i can't keep repeating myself you aren't willing to grasp the ideas of being free from rulers

Yeah I'm still not seeing this utopian vision of anarchy your seeing. Where everybody is all happy and peace loving. Ever see the movie escape from New York? That the way I see anarchy.

Quote from: DianaP on February 08, 2013, 10:16:32 PM
Free association = doing what you want.

Definition of FREE ASSOCIATION

1
a : the expression (as by speaking or writing) of the content of consciousness without censorship as an aid in gaining access to unconscious processes especially in psychoanalysis
b : the reporting of the first thought that comes to mind in response to a given stimulus (as a word)
2
: an idea or image elicited by free association
3
: a method using free association


where does it say you can redefine words?

Quote from: Heather on February 08, 2013, 10:23:56 PM
Yeah I'm still not seeing this utopian vision of anarchy seeing. Where everybody is all happy and peace loving. Ever see the movie escape from New York? That the way I see anarchy.

well then that makes sense why you would feel that way... you should maybe do some reading about anarchy or watch some youtube videos... Stefan Molyneux is a great resourse

Quote from: oZma on February 08, 2013, 10:24:05 PM
a : the expression (as by speaking or writing) of the content of consciousness without censorship as an aid in gaining access to unconscious processes especially in psychoanalysis

Say whatever you want. Exactly. Thanks. 

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