Quote from: RebeccaFog on June 07, 2007, 09:35:10 PM
   I wonder why the stinkheads seem to accept Galileo's theories and Einstein's theory, but their simple little minds can't accept evolution?

But they didn't accept Galileo's proof that Copernicus was right.  Galileo was arrested for heresy, tried and found guilty.  He recanted, and thus was allowed by the Vatican to live the rest of his life under house arrest.

I believe he was pardoned by the Roman Catholic church in 1978, more than 300 years after they found him guilty of heresy.

The biggest reason they couldn't accept a Copernican universe is that it brought into question their fundamental beliefs in [G/g]od.

Evolution does the same thing, but it's much easier to ignore/explain away the evidence that supports Evolution.

I guess Special and General Relativity don't challenge god or fundamental beliefs in the universe.  I mean, how many people really understand that Energy (in ergs) is equivalent to mass (in grams) times the speed of light (in centimeters per second)(squared)?

Karen

Karen,

I can't fathom how you can explain away the evidence for evolution.  Those who I have discussed this with, simply dismiss the evidence saying that it does not exist.  Sorta like those who deny the holocaust... same thing.  It's history. The evidence is there.  The explanation of evolution fits.  Nothing else I've ever read fits.

Hey, I hear they opened a new natural history museum somewhere back east this past week... was it Nashville?  It's a Mecca for the little young ones to come and learn about how the Grand Canyon was created in two weeks and how the earth is only 6000 years old.... you know, stuff like that.  And just think, any one of those little, wonderfully educated children could be president some day.  Makes you want to puke doesn't it?

Cindi

Quote from: Karen on June 07, 2007, 10:23:47 PM

Quote from: RebeccaFog on June 07, 2007, 09:35:10 PM
   I wonder why the stinkheads seem to accept Galileo's theories and Einstein's theory, but their simple little minds can't accept evolution?

But they didn't accept Galileo's proof that Copernicus was right.  Galileo was arrested for heresy, tried and found guilty.  He recanted, and thus was allowed by the Vatican to live the rest of his life under house arrest.

I believe he was pardoned by the Roman Catholic church in 1978, more than 300 years after they found him guilty of heresy.

The biggest reason they couldn't accept a Copernican universe is that it brought into question their fundamental beliefs in [G/g]od.

Evolution does the same thing, but it's much easier to ignore/explain away the evidence that supports Evolution.

I guess Special and General Relativity don't challenge god or fundamental beliefs in the universe.  I mean, how many people really understand that Energy (in ergs) is equivalent to mass (in grams) times the speed of light (in centimeters per second)(squared)?

Karen

    I know they didn't accept Galileo's ideas at the time, but they do now. i mean can't they look at how their crowd is always reactionary before coming around? You'd think they could just say, "wow, we grew to appreciate other 'heretical' ideas, so maybe we should just accept that science is not a threat to our beliefs?"
   
    Maybe I should just join the Flat Earth society, wear a pinwheel on my head, avoid inoculations, burn some books, and steadily drool through my missing teeth. Then everything would make sense to me.

Quote from: Cindi Jones on June 08, 2007, 01:57:26 AM
Hey, I hear they opened a new natural history museum somewhere back east this past week... was it Nashville?  It's a Mecca for the little young ones to come and learn about how the Grand Canyon was created in two weeks and how the earth is only 6000 years old.... you know, stuff like that.  And just think, any one of those little, wonderfully educated children could be president some day.  Makes you want to puke doesn't it?

Cindi

    I read about this too. I was thinking the same thing kind of.   "You spent a decade studying theories of Creation based on a book written by ignorant desert people almost three thousand years ago? Welcome to NASA!!!!!"

Quote from: Cindi Jones on June 05, 2007, 08:30:05 PM
I made the mistake of sitting down with my supper to watch the republican debate.  I'm sick to my stomach now.

Ah yes, good old US politics.  Poli from the latin meaning "many" and tics from the southern meaning "blood sucking creatures."

Quote from: BeverlyAnn on June 08, 2007, 10:05:54 PM

Quote from: Cindi Jones on June 05, 2007, 08:30:05 PM
I made the mistake of sitting down with my supper to watch the republican debate.  I'm sick to my stomach now.

Ah yes, good old US politics.  Poli from the latin meaning "many" and tics from the southern meaning "blood sucking creatures."

Ah, yes.

Ron Paul, at least, seems to be an exception to that.  I've been a fan of his for years, and am definitely supporting his campaign for President.  It seems to be gathering momentum -- supposedly he has raised around $5 million this quarter.  That's not at the level of the "major" candidates yet, but it's a dramatic increase from the $500,000 he had before this quarter.

Quote from: ChildOfTheLight on June 09, 2007, 02:52:45 AM

Quote from: BeverlyAnn on June 08, 2007, 10:05:54 PM

Quote from: Cindi Jones on June 05, 2007, 08:30:05 PM
I made the mistake of sitting down with my supper to watch the republican debate.  I'm sick to my stomach now.

Ah yes, good old US politics.  Poli from the latin meaning "many" and tics from the southern meaning "blood sucking creatures."

Ah, yes.

Ron Paul, at least, seems to be an exception to that.  I've been a fan of his for years, and am definitely supporting his campaign for President.  It seems to be gathering momentum -- supposedly he has raised around $5 million this quarter.  That's not at the level of the "major" candidates yet, but it's a dramatic increase from the $500,000 he had before this quarter.

I've heard good things about Ron Paul from several people on this site. I saw him on TV briefly and he didn't make me feel uncomfortable.

I figure I cant loose this upcoming election with the 4 most popular current candidates that I see.

The 2 republican candidates seem very unusual.
Rudy Giuliani- Seems barely republican.
Mitt Romney- Even though I am a recovering mormon, having one in as the main candidate tickles me in a little way. Knowing the conservatives would band together, and shoot silly inspirational type videos about a candidate many believe is a cult member, but would some how start spreading the "we are all christian message".

The 2 democratic candidates. First african american and first woman president.
Barack Obama
Hillary Clinton

If any of these 4 are candidates come voting time, they will as of now have my consideration, although the reasons really are not too rational, idealistic, or too issue related.

Ever since the days of Ronald Regan, the Republican party has had its moral compass set by radical right "religious" organizations of the US.  I refuse to call these groups churches!  Nowadays, you have to wave the "God Flag" if you are going to be considered a viable Republican candidate.  Its one of the reasons I finally registered as a Democrate.  (I've been voting that way for years!)

Most people believe that the word theory means an idea.  They do not understand that it is an idea with overwhelming evidence to support it and that it is testable.  I ran into this problem with a member of my school board.  He wanted to use the popular definition of the word theory and I refused to budge on the correct definition. 

Chaunte

Quote from: Cindi Jones on June 05, 2007, 08:30:05 PM
Why must health care be delegated to "private sector" insurance companies? 

A person works for a big company and makes a nice salary.  The big company negotiates a 60% discount on a $10,000 medical bill so that the total cost is $4,000.  The employee pays 20% of the bill or $800 and the big company pays the residual or $3,200.

Now another person is without a job and has the same medical bill of $10,000.  If the person does not pay $10,000 then they will be sued by the hospital and their credit rating will be tarnished.

The U.S. government has more negotiating power than any big U.S. company.  The U.S. government could easily negotiate a 60% discount.  Why must an unemployed person without medical insurance pay $10,000 for the same service that an employed person pays $4,000?  This is absurd!

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I do not have a problem with the bible or Christianity. I have a problem when politicians take a literal interpretation of every bible verse and use it for their own political agenda.

I happen to believe we are each spiritual beings and God does exist.  I see no conflict between science and creationism and evolution.  I view the phase "In the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth" as "in the beginning" not 6000 years ago.
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I believe you vote for the candidate that you think will do the best job regardless of the current party in power.  If you think Bush did a poor job and a new Democratic is the best overall candidate then the Democratic candidate should get your vote and vice versa if you think a new Republican candidate is the best overall candidate. However if you think Bush did a poor job and all candidates from both parties are equally bad then I would vote the opposite party as a vote of no confidence for the party in power. The reverse is used if you agree with Bush's strategies.
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I also believe it is good to watch some of the debates and register and vote.

W

Actually, you can get some hospitals to knock off some money off the bill if you can show duress and talk of a paying plan with them, they prefer being payed now, than suing and maybe getting a bit of money a far future. But, the resulting bill is still higher than the one you would have had through a private insurance; a bill you would not have had to pay. I've lived both situations...

There is much to be done.  I don't know that either party can get it done.  But I know what we've had and I'm voting for the other guys.

S

I just thought it was funny that we had a topic started by Cindi and the last post was by Squirrel.

No comment on the actual topic. You may resume normal activities.

And Squirrel - you have to look at the title of Cindi's book to get why that was funny.

Dennis

Quote from: Dennis on June 12, 2007, 10:59:02 PM
I just thought it was funny that we had a topic started by Cindi and the last post was by Squirrel.

No comment on the actual topic. You may resume normal activities.

And Squirrel - you have to look at the title of Cindi's book to get why that was funny.

Dennis

   I was thinking the same thing.  I was wondering if Cindi had assumed the identity of her muse.

Quote from: RebeccaFog on June 13, 2007, 08:07:07 AM

Quote from: Dennis on June 12, 2007, 10:59:02 PM
I just thought it was funny that we had a topic started by Cindi and the last post was by Squirrel.

No comment on the actual topic. You may resume normal activities.

And Squirrel - you have to look at the title of Cindi's book to get why that was funny.

Dennis

   I was thinking the same thing.  I was wondering if Cindi had assumed the identity of her muse.

Yes, she does pop in to my life from time to time. Okay Squirrel, that's enough. You can go away now.

Cindi

oh geez

my only thoughts on a 'Republican debate', is:

why would I want to hear mosquitoes' talking points?

hopeless cases, I'M'O

none.of.the.above.

and BTW cind/squirrel:

one of your brethren tried to steal my peanut butter sammich two nights ago. squirrels are sentient creatures, so i didn't retaliate.

even if they tastes like chicken.

Quote from: gennee on June 06, 2007, 09:31:33 AM
The Republicans and the Democrats don't have any answers.

The heck with the answers!  I'd be happen if they just had the right qustions.

i was going to smile and lalala and dance at your unfortunate predicament of having no-one to vote for. Until i realised that whoever i vote for will do what whoever you vote for says.

Which is exactly why we should vote in a French citizen.

Boulez for prez