Sandra Fluke: Military should accept transexual recruits
9:08 AM 02/22/2013
Charles C. Johnson

http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/22/sandra-fluke-military-should-accept-transexual-recruits/     

In a revealing presentation at Claremont McKenna College, birth-control activist Sandra Fluke said the U.S. military should accept transsexual recruits. The demise of the Pentagon's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" program, she said, should be only a first step toward a more inclusive American fighting force.

Referring to what she called "the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and questioning" community, Fluke said lawmakers didn't go far enough in ending the military's official but often unenforced ban on homosexuals.

"We still don't let trans-folk join the military," Fluke said February 13. "That needs to change."

I don't understand why the media gives that moron any press whatsoever! What would she know about GLBTI anything and especially as it applies to the military? We already have plenty of transsexuals in the military who can't wait to get out and get away from the macho-man lifestyle that the military imposes on all personnel just by the nature of the business. What makes a 30+ year old bimbo who still hasn't made it out of college and openly lies on national TV about the costs of her birth control medication an expert on virtually everything that she's abysmally so ignorant about?

I may make a lot of people angry at me and please understand where I am coming from on this subject. I was in the military. This was before i realized exactly who I was. No shaving legs or armpits and all the other fem things I do. My problem with it is the world is a brutal, violent and crazy place. The powers that be, mainly lawyers and or buttkissers, have no idea about real life wartime situations. Sandra Fluke, what qualifies her other than lawschool to even talk on the subject? War for the infantry and other frontline units is not just firing a weapon at the enemy. Gay men that are willing to supress it (reason why in a little bit) are fine I would think. Women, FTM or MTF transitioning or feminine gays or just feminine looking straight men for that matter should not be infantry or any other frontline units because there is a chance you will become a POW. A lot of our enemies hate gays, trangendered, transexuals and even females. Look at what they do to the same people of their own culture, I'm not just reffering to muslim extremist either. Look at the countries over the years that have commited genocide against all people of their own culture.

The only enemy I know of that we have fought that even come close to following the Geneva Conventions was Germany in WW2, close but not to the letter. Waterboarding is a breeze (been there and done that in SERE school) compared to real torture, not to mention rape, mutilations and another thousand things the enemy can do. Psychological is the worst( been there and done that too in SERE school) and emotions are different as to what hormones you have. Estrogen and Testosterone have differing effects as to emotions and emotions are what the psychological torture will target. SERE school is hard and it is your own troops in control so actual torture to where too much pain or your death is of no concern to them, I can only imagine.

Repealing don't ask don't tell is fine, I served with gay people in the nineties. We all knew, it wasn't a big deal like a lot of activists make it out to be. They weren't shunned but accepted as we all wore the same color and bled red on the inside. But females, MTF and FTM trans, transgendered, in my opinion and yes even myself now, should not be in the infantry or frontline units or even stationed in volitile areas. A lot of activists in my opinion, seem to start out wanting to do the right thing but end up causing more harm than good. Remember if you can join the military, you can be drafted with no say so on your part. If they do allow trans folks hopefully, in order to save those very lives, they keep them in rear support units with administrative duties. These duties are just as important than the actual fighting.

War is ugly and messy and if you are in the military it's a good possiblity you will see it at one time or another. You have to be prepared to lay down your life and I wish the experience on no one. This goes for straight, gay, lesbian, or trans It's not a video game and you don't get a second life. It can damage the outside but the scars you will carry on the inside are worst.

I wrote this with love an actual concern for ALL so please don't hate too bad on me.

Quote from: Shantel on February 23, 2013, 10:51:43 AM
I don't understand why the media gives that moron any press whatsoever! What would she know about GLBTI anything and especially as it applies to the military? We already have plenty of transsexuals in the military who can't wait to get out and get away from the macho-man lifestyle that the military imposes on all personnel just by the nature of the business. What makes a 30+ year old bimbo who still hasn't made it out of college and openly lies on national TV about the costs of her birth control medication an expert on virtually everything that she's abysmally so ignorant about?

I was posting a long one while you posted this, but it is funny how a lot of so-called activists have no idea how we really feel about what they're active in.

Quote from: Jess42 on February 23, 2013, 11:45:10 AM
I was posting a long one while you posted this, but it is funny how a lot of so-called activists have no idea how we really feel about what they're active in.

Hi Jesse,
     I will concur on all that you have written here. I did two tours in the paratroops in Vietnam, am a disabled vet and have been on HRT since 1995. Having been there and now here trumps any objections anyone might put up against your comments.

I think that being a vet gives us the right to our opinions - whether someone agrees with them or not.  And Jess, I agree with many of the things you said and completely understand your reasons.  While I do think there are some women (trans or cis) that would do fine in combat units, they are few and far between.  But then again there are plenty of "men" that really shouldn't be in combat units either.

I'm currently in a quandry myself as I just came back from an active duty deployment and am supposed to resume my reserve training in May.  I had previously decided to simply transfer to the IRR after I pin on CPT in April - but lately I've been considering coming out and fighting for the right to serve openly.  I know the likely outcome is that I'll just be discharged, but they'll never change their policies if those of us that are affected by it don't raise the public awareness and put pressure on the powers that be to done something.  I've never really stood for anything before, but I do feel that we need to do something.  I'm a damn fine soldier and a respected officer - what should it matter what name I use or what gender I claim?  I can pass the male or female fitness test and I'm not combat arms.  I also don't have any mental disorders - despite how they classify GID.

However, since the current (Army) regulations are based on the DSM-IV I am hoping that with the release of the DSM-V in May that the regs will be updated - or at least can be challenged as no longer valid.

Am I crazy for thinking we should fight this?

Quote from: SageFox on February 23, 2013, 01:01:50 PM
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However, since the current (Army) regulations are based on the DSM-IV I am hoping that with the release of the DSM-V in May that the regs will be updated - or at least can be challenged as no longer valid.

Am I crazy for thinking we should fight this?

Yes, but does that really matter? Mountain climbers are crazy too, but they do it because mountains are there.

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Am I crazy for thinking we should fight this?

I'd say you're a warrior thinking about choosing a different battle. Hugs, Devlyn

I've never been in combat, or even in a hostile area (I served in the mid-80s)...but common sense says combat involves fighting, and often very severe field conditions (mud, lice, not enough food/sanitation, etc).

If you were to go into a "biker bar" and challenge the customers there to a brawl, would your first thought be, "Hey, I'm going to go to the YWCA and get a bunch of women to help me out"? I don't think so...and combat is a LOT tougher than mere fisticuffs in a bar.

Would I want a transsexual (either MTF or FTM) at my back? Quite frankly...no. And that includes myself. I can, however, do support work, and if needed I could be pressed into a sniper role--not a .mil  sniper, but I could watch exits and down anyone who leaves, or tries to enter...so more of a police-type sniper. (Not useable in a military role, though).

Who would I want? The biggest, burliest, bravest men I could find. The ones with the most self-control. The ones with the most discipline. There are many gay men like that...but among the trans community...not so much. Again, we can (and should) do support roles, giving 100% to the troops at the front, but front-line duty itself? We'd be a hazard to everyone there, except the enemy.

imho

Quote from: kkut on February 23, 2013, 02:13:10 PM
I haven't served period, so you have tons more experience than I. I was in the Cub Scouts for six months, which gives me a pretty solid increase in knowledge of 'military' training over Sandra Fluck.

I just think the military should set it's own standards and qualifications, political amateur hacks like Sandra Fluck have no business pocking their nose in that stuff IMHO.

However, if the military needs expertise in applying a condom single handedly in tense situations... I think Sandra is their gal 

Ahem. A limerick.

These posts speak of verve and pluck.
Your typo seemed a stroke of bad luck.
When I first read it,
I thought I should edit,
But today I'll allow you to Fluck.

Can someone explain to me why everyone is calling this girl a slut? 

Also served, and think that many of Jess' points are valid (if torture must be quantified, I reckon it could be...); however, there are numerous non-combat opportunities in the service wherein the risk of direct enemy contact is virtually nil.

I don't see why transsexuals should not serve: they do anyway (sans plumbing).

Quote from: Snickerdoodle on February 23, 2013, 03:20:47 PM
Because she's a low-down skankadoo.

Because she sponsors easily-accessible birth control for women so that they don't have to go through the struggles of pregnancy or reproductive illnesses?

Low blow.

Quote from: DianaP on February 23, 2013, 03:24:13 PM
Because she sponsors easily-accessible birth control for women so that they don't have to go through the struggles of pregnancy or reproductive illnesses?

Low blow.

I do not know this gal very well...but let me make a guess...she is a feminist and a liberal...


and that makes her...what ever she was called, on the eyes of the people who seen things diametrically opposed...

Yeah... I'm not going to go research everything that Sandra Fluke supports, or doesn't support: but a cursory look at her views does not give me enough ammunition to say anything disparaging about her.

If men can get vasectomy coverage, women should get birth control pills. That's all I have to say about it.

OK Diana, back to the original topic, and if you have an issue with the comments on another site,  take it up there, not here. Hugs, Devlyn

Quote from: SageFox on February 23, 2013, 01:01:50 PM
I think that being a vet gives us the right to our opinions - whether someone agrees with them or not.  And Jess, I agree with many of the things you said and completely understand your reasons.  While I do think there are some women (trans or cis) that would do fine in combat units, they are few and far between.  But then again there are plenty of "men" that really shouldn't be in combat units either.

I'm currently in a quandry myself as I just came back from an active duty deployment and am supposed to resume my reserve training in May.  I had previously decided to simply transfer to the IRR after I pin on CPT in April - but lately I've been considering coming out and fighting for the right to serve openly.  I know the likely outcome is that I'll just be discharged, but they'll never change their policies if those of us that are affected by it don't raise the public awareness and put pressure on the powers that be to done something.  I've never really stood for anything before, but I do feel that we need to do something.  I'm a damn fine soldier and a respected officer - what should it matter what name I use or what gender I claim?  I can pass the male or female fitness test and I'm not combat arms.  I also don't have any mental disorders - despite how they classify GID.

However, since the current (Army) regulations are based on the DSM-IV I am hoping that with the release of the DSM-V in May that the regs will be updated - or at least can be challenged as no longer valid.

Am I crazy for thinking we should fight this?

I think you are quite sane and very brave.  But you are right to pick and choose your battles.  Let the new DSM go into effect.

Thank you for your service.

Thanks for not ripping me a new one everyone. I figured out that the military was not for me. Just as being a cop isn't for me either. Been there and almost did that too. I went through the whole process but then turned it down. But for others it is. I'm glad I served but looking back, with the exception of an all out war, where everyone is needed, I don't think I would do it again. I really got sick of someone telling me I had to wear my hair a certain way, dress a certain way being here or being there and so on. I've always had long or longer hair than most men and four years without it was brutal for me. Not just to satisfy the femininity, but busting out metal riffs on the guitar just don't feel right to me with short hair.

As for Sandra Fluke though. When some folks get their five minutes of fame it's just as addictive a cocaine. They realize that it feels good being in the limelight. Come on, I should pay for her birth control, really? I can't afford to go to lawschool and I pay for my own medication when needed. I'm transgender and even I can't speak for the whole community, and would not even dare to, because we all have differing views.

To all those who have served and are still serving. My "prayers", go out to you to stay safe and out of harm's way and a speedy return safely to your loved ones.