and just to think that the mean GOP politicians do not want to pass a law that protects defenceless girls like Jazz

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Quote from: peky on February 24, 2013, 09:55:23 AM
and just to think that the mean GOP politicians do not want to pass a law that protects defenceless girls like Jazz

Explain

Yeah, Jazz, she gets a bunch of sweetness (and artistic ability!) from her mother, who I have as a Facebook friend. Honestly, one of the sweetest messages I've gotten from anyone was from that family, they're just amazing. They just try to be another family, from what I can tell, but one with a cause to fight for, kind of like how you see some families do so with, for example, autism. Jazz herself seems extremely well-adjusted, in life, thankfully, just hope her teenage years go well, never know how the minds of others will change during high school.

But GOP isn't making any laws to stop her; in fact, if you've seen her latest 20/20 appearance, laws have increased (notably on her soccer team) for her protection. Where they live isn't totally progressive, either. I'd like to know more on what you mean, she seems to very well treated at school; I've never heard that she's gotten bullied. (I have heard exclusion, but she's fought that back and won, but that can't be placed only on the GOP; see also, Clinton, DOMA.)

Quote from: Pleasingly Plump Jamie D on February 24, 2013, 01:15:46 PM
Explain

I only explain my self to G-d!

Having said that ^^^ let me provided you with some evidence to support my assertion

Quotehttp://www.examiner.com/article/republicans-strip-transgender-protections-from-violence-against-women-act

Republicans in the House of Representatives Friday introduced a modified version of the Violence Against Women Act that strips the bill of its express protections to include sexual orientation and gender identity, which would enable states to exclude lesbian, bisexual, transgender and transsexual women from receiving benefits under the grant. The House version of the VAWA also modifies language concerning Native American women, adjusting the capability of tribal authority to prosecute perpetrators of domestic violence on reservations. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) has denounced the bill, which is radically different from the all-inclusive version that passed the Senate last week with bipartisan support.

I do not think I need to elaborate much but if the law is pass as modified by the GOP then faced with violence  Jazz, me, and the rest of transgender folks will be without that (the law as originally writen) protection

How does it make any sense to remove protection rights from anyone at all? Where is the logic even?

Quote from: peky on February 24, 2013, 04:02:04 PM
I only explain my self to G-d!

Pleased to meet you! 

Quote from: EmmaS on February 24, 2013, 04:44:31 PM
How does it make any sense to remove protection rights from anyone at all? Where is the logic even?

That was a misrepresentation.

The Senate modified the provisions of the former law, and sent their version of the bill to the House.

As the proposed legislation was still under debate, either house of Congress can vote to make modifications.  No protections had yet been enacted into law to be "removed."

As it was, a bill with new protections was eventually passed and signed into law.

Thanks to the "handy work" of the Democrats

Quote from: peky on March 20, 2013, 08:38:49 PM
Thanks to the "handy work" of the Democrats

I'd call it a consensus.

Quote from: kkut on March 22, 2013, 10:15:58 AM
I think this type of legislation is just politically driven, costly, and stupid.

a legislation that protects domestic partners from abuse, stupid? 

Quote from: kkut on March 22, 2013, 10:15:58 AM
I think this type of legislation is just politically driven, costly, and stupid.

QuoteThe president highlighted that the reauthorization signed Thursday closed a loophole for Native American women, whose non-Native partners were essentially immune from prosecution because tribal police would not arrest non-Native men and local police would not make arrests on Indian reservations.

For gay, lesbian and transgender survivors, the new bill allows federal funding to be directed to LGBT-related efforts to help survivors.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-sign-expanded-violence-against-women-act-151807346--politics.html

Quote from: kkut on March 22, 2013, 01:44:35 PM
Yes, I really think it is, sorry... 

well, I respect you opinions, yet for many of us -and I have been at the receiving end of domestic violence- it will matter

Quote from: kkut on March 22, 2013, 02:14:14 PM
I just find this type of legislation dubious, that's all. It feels as arbitrary as passing a law to protect people over six feet tall. Justice should be blind and apply to all. I just believe there's a simpler and fairer way is all. I think when politics is injected in these matters, the end result is never good.

I agree but, unfortunately, without legislature in place it is not blind. Without making laws and policies the decision on who is protected is left up to the individual law enforcement officer.

Quote from: kkut on March 22, 2013, 02:35:32 PM
You all need to get out of your blue states and move to our red states apparently. You put a hand on a woman in Texas and you're fair game, the guy is the one that needs extra protection 'round har...

Everyone needs protection in Texas! 

Quote from: kkut on March 22, 2013, 02:35:32 PM
You all need to get out of your blue states and move to our red states apparently. You put a hand on a woman in Texas and you're fair game, the guy is the one that needs extra protection 'round har...

I do not think so Sis, the domestic homicide is twice or three times higher in the red states compared to the blue states.

http://www.silentwitness.net/states/us_map.htm

Quote from: kkut on March 23, 2013, 11:00:37 AM


Fair enough. But I stand by my stance that legislation doesn't protect me, I do. 

and earth is flat