I have to wonder in what context is this question asked.   Do you mean from the anatomical birth gender or from the Transsexual perspective?   If a M to F was attracted to females would that be considered in this question as lesbian or straight and to further convolute it, how would a  M to F that is attracted to another M to F or F to M fit into this classification?   Its easy for me to see that one persons 'straight' is anothers  G/L.   In the end ones family is the place I believe that a trans person would encounter the most problems with gender binary issues since society seems to have accepted or at least tolerates open gay/lesbian couples now.   shrugs.. IDK    I would be more accepted if there wasen't such piss poor quality control in the womb!  I swear I was conceived on a friday before a long weekend and was slapped together in there with what ever parts were on hand irrespective of what it said on the invoice.  GerrrrrRRRRRRRRR!

When I told my dad years ago, he actually said that he was glad that I was just trans and not gay. Some people do think that and some think trans equals gay. And I have one brother that says that its ok for trans people people to marry opposite their gender identity but not ok for gay people to marry the same sex. It seemed weird to me.

Quote from: Lorri Kat on February 25, 2013, 07:22:56 PM
I have to wonder in what context is this question asked.   Do you mean from the anatomical birth gender or from the Transsexual perspective?   If a M to F was attracted to females would that be considered in this question as lesbian or straight and to further convolute it, how would a  M to F that is attracted to another M to F or F to M fit into this classification?   Its easy for me to see that one persons 'straight' is anothers  G/L.   In the end ones family is the place I believe that a trans person would encounter the most problems with gender binary issues since society seems to have accepted or at least tolerates open gay/lesbian couples now.   shrugs.. IDK    I would be more accepted if there wasen't such piss poor quality control in the womb!  I swear I was conceived on a friday before a long weekend and was slapped together in there with what ever parts were on hand irrespective of what it said on the invoice.  GerrrrrRRRRRRRRR!

To be honest the way I see it is that I am a female. I have never been male and the only thing that was male was my body which does not define me at all. Since I am female, if I liked women than I would be a lesbian and if I liked men I would be considered straight.

Quote from: EmmaS on February 25, 2013, 07:53:59 PM
To be honest the way I see it is that I am a female. I have never been male and the only thing that was male was my body which does not define me at all. Since I am female, if I liked women than I would be a lesbian and if I liked men I would be considered straight.

Thats how I look at it..    

I know I'm gay. I love women. I wouldn't mind being in a relationship with another trans-women(on hrt at least). Because I'm attracted to the female identity.


My dad was kind of shocked of when I told him I was still into women. He had a tougher time accepting my sexual orientation more so then my transition.

That's a very good question, but I'd like to put it this way, from personal experience:

'Do you think MTF would accept you more if you were straight or gay/lesbian?'

Almost all MTF attending MTF meetings were and are into women (only) and are biological fathers to several children (sometimes with several ex wives)

There's actually so many of them that they're a majority and automatically assume I was/am into women too.
And was as masculine as they were/are too.

No matter how detailed I try to explain that I was always feminine to begin with and into men only; they just don't or  can't believe that.
They seem to assume all MTF used to be straight, masculine men.

Which actually makes me feel like my background and history gets 'stolen' from me because of their denial.

The ones I get along fine with are their cis (ex)wives for the simple reason we can relate to eachother...because we are feminine by nature.

Those ex straight, (very) masculine MTF who think I was like them annoy me to such an extent that I quit attending MTF meetings.

I have no social or whatever problems in daily life while interacting with people/strangers...
Only with MTF, explaining myself over and over again that I'm not and never was into women..and sometimes trying to fend off being hit on, even AFTER explaining I'm NOT into women and the likes.

Sorry to hear about your experience. This must be an isolated thing because I've never seen or heard of that sort of reaction down here in central Florida. I am a parent with 2 kids and a longtime gf, andI  have never had anything other than a mild interest in men. I haven't met anyone like me in person yet. Everyone I know is straight (mtf who like men).

My family and friends don't care either way. I'm straight. Don't really know my sexuality 100% though and not too worried about it at this point in my transition. All and All I really don't care about them being accepting of who I love.

Quote from: girl you look fierce on February 26, 2013, 09:17:57 AM
Yeah I do think the main thing people have trouble accepting is not the occasional MTF lesbian but the majority of MTFs being lesbian, iirc it was about 70-80% (self reported) or more of MTFs but it is only 5ish for cis women.

I think it has a lot to do with socializing and growing up male. I think many of us who are bisexual by nature (let's admit it too, I think to some degree EVERYONE is a little bisexual; consciously or subconsciously) have just internalized an attraction to women because we were told to. Frankly though I love people for what's in their head not their pants. That person just happened to be a woman.

I'm neither until I figure out what's moral.
We'll see if I can adjust to what's moral when the time comes; I'm not at all sure if I can, although I'm sure bisexual physical-attraction tendencies would help in that regard.

I don't think it'll make a difference for acceptance, though. If I'm already wrong in others' eyes for transitioning, I can't see how sexuality would ... Make things more wrong?

This has been your recommended monthly dose of That Strange Conservative Christian Girl's Viewpoint (tm). See a doctor if you believe you have exceeded your maximum allowed dosage for the month.

Quote from: ZoeM on February 26, 2013, 09:54:14 AM
I'm neither until I figure out what's moral.
We'll see if I can adjust to what's moral when the time comes; I'm not at all sure if I can, although I'm sure bisexual physical-attraction tendencies would help in that regard.

I don't think it'll make a difference for acceptance, though. If I'm already wrong in others' eyes for transitioning, I can't see how sexuality would ... Make things more wrong?

This has been your recommended monthly dose of That Strange Conservative Christian Girl's Viewpoint (tm). See a doctor if you believe you have exceeded your maximum allowed dosage for the month.

I don't think anything regarding sexual identity should be considered immoral. I mean technical although indirectly, according to the bible being trans is also immoral. But so is working on Sunday and not wearing wool clothing.

Quote from: girl you look fierce on February 26, 2013, 09:17:57 AM
Yeah I do think the main thing people have trouble accepting is not the occasional MTF lesbian but the majority of MTFs being lesbian, iirc it was about 70-80% (self reported) or more of MTFs but it is only 5ish for cis women.

Are you sure its 70-80% I thought it would be higher. I've only met one other MTF in person that view's herself as straight. I'm starting to believe we are somewhat of a rarity.

Quote from: Heather on February 26, 2013, 10:01:23 AM
Are you sure its 70-80% I thought it would be higher. I've only met one other MTF in person that view's herself as straight. I'm starting to believe we are somewhat of a rarity.

Really ? We are? Wow. I havent met many trans people, but there didnt seem to be a lack of us with guys for partners or who spoke about having male partners at some point. Like I said tho, I dont know many.

Also, zoem ... I think it would be sad if your religion makes you question the morality of who you are, but then, I never understood the logic of a God who would make somebody something and then tell them not to be it. Lol.

Quote from: Steph21 on February 26, 2013, 10:15:15 AM
Really ? We are? Wow. I havent met many trans people, but there didnt seem to be a lack of us with guys for partners or who spoke about having male partners at some point. Like I said tho, I dont know many.

I had assumption that most would like men like me! I was wrong which actually scared me at first. Because I had the fear that my mom was right and I was just a gay guy who couldn't accept it. When I kept telling her I viewed myself as a straight woman.

As a "woman" liking to be with a man make me Straight.  If society calls this being gay it is their problem, not mine, they are WRONG.

As a woman who also likes to be with women in a lesbian relationship make me Bi.

But then Bi wasn't one of your options.

Quote from: Heather on February 26, 2013, 10:27:46 AM
I had assumption that most would like men like me! I was wrong which actually scared me at first. Because I had the fear that my mom was right and I was just a gay guy who couldn't accept it. When I kept telling her I viewed myself as a straight woman.

I thought the exact opposite. I figured most trans women would identify as gay. But, I have only met one who fully identifies as gay. I have met a lot of straight women, and several bi, but only one other gay woman. In my area, I believe I am the minority being gay. It is looking like all areas are a bit different.

Quote from: Michelle Stone on February 26, 2013, 10:00:26 AM
I don't think anything regarding sexual identity should be considered immoral. I mean technical although indirectly, according to the bible being trans is also immoral. But so is working on Sunday and not wearing wool clothing.

It's not really up to me. Or anyone else in the last 2000-ish years.
I've been able to convince myself that transition is, if not a Good Thing (tm), at least OK in the eyes of God. No such luck with sexuality, on which subject both Old and New Testament are quite explicit.

I will not begrudge anyone who thinks I'm in the wrong, though. Not the best idea to assume my own interpretation of scripture is the Real Right One (tm)...

Ok, now you've had triple the recommended dose of Viewpoint. Best go detox.

Quote from: girl you look fierce on February 26, 2013, 10:37:04 AM

Personally I never felt a strong sexuality, I mean I experimented with boys as a kid but that is normal... I didn't date anyone or want to until I met my bf and everything just felt right... so it's not like I'm claiming to be super normal either.  I just don't think you can be raised into a sexuality is all, cause gay people have been fighting for years to get people to accept that it is not a choice.

I was joking with 70-80% commit! But I didn't have a strong sense of my sexuality growing up ether I tried liking women because that's what I was supposed to do. But that never felt right to me. As far as liking guys I never viewed myself as a gay guy so I was confused about my attraction towards them. And I was having my gender issues all throughout this time in my life. 

so 70-80% of trans m to f's are gay? yay more guys for me!

I highly doubt that, the huge majority of those I've talked to are straight, but I guess who knows.