darn. i was hopping for less competition 

Quote from: Tristan on February 26, 2013, 04:54:32 PM
darn. i was hopping for less competition 

I for one will definitely stay out of your way 

Quote from: Tristan on February 26, 2013, 04:54:32 PM
darn. i was hopping for less competition 

A little competition is a good thing!

Quote from: Tristan on February 26, 2013, 04:54:32 PM
darn. i was hopping for less competition 

I think it makes it more interesting and fun

Quote from: Tristan on February 26, 2013, 04:54:32 PM
darn. i was hopping for less competition 

Look on the bright side. If there's competition and someone is with you, it means you won! 

yeah ladies your all right. competition with the guys can be fun. they do love it when we play the weak and innocent card and pretend to be dumb. i know those are some of my trump cards. although im only partly pretending to be dumb. haha 

Quote from: Tristan on February 26, 2013, 11:03:05 PM
yeah ladies your all right. competition with the guys can be fun. they do love it when we play the weak and innocent card and pretend to be dumb. i know those are some of my trump cards. although im only partly pretending to be dumb. haha 

Huh? 

lol exactly

When I came out to my brother as trans, he thought it was because I did some gay things in my past so I am straight trying to conform to the "norms" or something overly complex. When I came out to my mother as trans, she thought that I was gay. A friend of mine also thought the same as my mother. Another friend didn't even bring sexuality into the conversation. I take a liking to people in general, so people then assume bisexual but for me it goes beyond that. However it goes, I can't seem to catch a break in explaining the differences in sexuality and gender.

Quote from: DirtyFox on February 27, 2013, 12:36:17 AM
However it goes, I can't seem to catch a break in explaining the differences in sexuality and gender.

I always say sexuality determines who you sexually want/want to be with and your gender is who you are. One determines who you are and one determines what you like. That's how I usually lay it out and people generally seem to understand it then.

Quote from: EmmaS on February 27, 2013, 12:38:57 AM
I always say sexuality determines who you sexually want/want to be with and your gender is who you are. One determines who you are and one determines what you like. That's how I usually lay it out and people generally seem to understand it then.

Definitely a concise way of putting it as opposed to my long winded tangents trying to explain it, thanks =). It just gets really frustrating having to explain it so many times, even to health professionals/therapists.

Quote from: DirtyFox on February 27, 2013, 12:48:51 AM
Definitely a concise way of putting it as opposed to my long winded tangents trying to explain it, thanks =). It just gets really frustrating having to explain it so many times, even to health professionals/therapists.

No problem, it's really frustrating that people don't know the difference, it seems like common sense to me. I'm appalled to hear health professionals and therapists not knowing the difference -_-

Quote from: Michelle Stone on February 26, 2013, 09:24:39 AM
have just internalized an attraction to women because we were told to.

If that was really the case....there wouldn't be no gay men eh?

Quote from: girl you look fierce on February 26, 2013, 10:37:04 AM
I just don't think you can be raised into a sexuality is all, cause gay people have been fighting for years to get people to accept that it is not a choice.

That's a very accurate explaination...it's just a silly excuse made by lesbian MTF.....I've read this before....'raised to be a straight guy who should be into women'...etc.

Well there are two arguments for what drives our sexuality. It's between genetics and societal influences; neither has been proven and both have a lot of backing and support.

that's 'cuz they probably both have a hand in it.

Quote from: EmmaS on February 27, 2013, 04:21:43 AM
and societal influences; neither has been proven

Sexual orientation is inborn....but on the other hand: there are some MTF who go from straight men (and biological fathers!)  to being straight women.

'Societal influences' is in this case something like (subconcious) 'hetero normativity'....'I am a woman now and there's supposed to be man at my side/in my neo vagina'.

MTF 'chameleons'...

Quote from: Dahlia on February 27, 2013, 04:34:14 AM
Sexual orientation is inborn

That hasn't been proven. It could be eventually, but as of now it has not.

Quote from: EmmaS on February 27, 2013, 04:39:33 AM
That hasn't been proven. It could be eventually, but as of now it has not.

Gender ID is inborn too. Think of Bruce/Brenda-John/Joan- David Reimer. That's been proven at the cost of his life, in the end.

He didn't exactly 'choose', didn't he?

Quote from: Dahlia on February 27, 2013, 04:34:14 AM
Sexual orientation is inborn....but on the other hand: there are some MTF who go from straight men (and biological fathers!)  to being straight women.

'Societal influences' is in this case something like (subconcious) 'hetero normativity'....'I am a woman now and there's supposed to be man at my side/in my neo vagina'.

MTF 'chameleons'...

yeah, i'm w/ emma on this one, i think social influences are AT LEAST as much the cause of sexual attraction as any genetic component, if not more.
i pointed it out on another thread around a month ago, but why else would we idealize like skinny femme cis white girls as The Pinnacle Of Western Beauty?  ain't no reason they should be genetically more enticing than anyone else.

Quote from: Dahlia on February 27, 2013, 04:43:37 AM
Gender ID is inborn too. Think of Bruce/Brenda-John/Joan- David Reimer. That's been proven at the cost of his life, in the end.

He didn't exactly 'choose', didn't he?

ain't been proven, either.  that's a single case.  besides, we don't even have a universal system of genders—those vary socially, and some societies have three or four or more genders.  doesn't sound much like the sort of thing that's inborn to me.