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Started by Joanna Dark, March 11, 2013, 06:27:01 PM

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Carrie Liz

Oops... I just realized that I measured wrong. I thought that one of the big lines on my ruler was the "8" when it was really the "7.5" I was wondering about that... because I was like "wait a minute, I have smaller hands than like 90% of the people that I see, so why are my measurements longer than everyone else's?"

Well, that explains it. Silly me...

My real numbers are:
Index Finger: 74 mm
Ring Finger: 73 mm
2D:4D Ratio: 1.014

(not that it matters much... a totally enormous, mind-blowingly huge difference of 0.001%. :P)
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Angela???

Thought I would measure mine properly,

Index Finger 81.5
Ring Finger 81.5
Ratio 1.0

I think I got real big hands, Ring Finger size y and a half :(
It don't help that I'm 6 foot tall and have bear paws for hands >:(
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Jennygirl

Quote from: Angela??? on March 14, 2013, 01:41:38 AM
Thought I would measure mine properly,

Index Finger 81.5
Ring Finger 81.5
Ratio 1.0

I think I got real big hands, Ring Finger size y and a half :(
It don't help that I'm 6 foot tall and have bear paws for hands >:(

It's ok, plenty of CIS women with bigger hands I'm sure!!

I was positive I had huge piano hands until I met a CIS woman 3" shorter than me with longer fingers. I assure you, it's not a big deal at all.

Hands are hands, some are big some are small. Long fingers are great. They are helpful sometimes too ;)
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Angela???

Quote from: Jennygirl on March 14, 2013, 01:50:18 AM
It's ok, plenty of CIS women with bigger hands I'm sure!!

I was positive I had huge piano hands until I met a CIS woman 3" shorter than me with longer fingers. I assure you, it's not a big deal at all.

Hands are hands, some are big some are small. Long fingers are great. They are helpful sometimes too ;)

More to feel my wife up with that's for sure ;D
Only prob is I have very very strong hands and I think I'm holding her hand losely, but I'm crushing her hand without even trying >:(
This I don't like!
Why oh why did I ever do hand strenghtening when doing weight lifting, stupid me!
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Nicolette

Quote from: Albina on March 14, 2013, 01:47:19 AM
@girl you look fierce:

Thank you for the explanation chart - I am happy to know that I tend more to female side. I also know that I have fingers of a musician - play the piano since 6!  ;)

Apparently, we need our fingers ratios to be firmly planted inside the male region to be good musicians, according to the link below. But don't allow that to predict your potential.

http://www.viewzone.com/fingers.html
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Jesslee

Here is some new info:

http://news.ufl.edu/2011/09/06/male-female-ring-finger/


Male-female ring finger proportions tied to sex hormones in embryo; may offer health insights

Filed under Gender, Health, Research on Tuesday, September 6, 2011. GAINESVILLE, Fla. — Biologists at the University of Florida have found a reason why men's ring fingers are generally longer than their index fingers — and why the reverse usually holds true for women.

Writing this week in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, developmental biologists Martin Cohn and Zhengui Zheng of the Howard Hughes Medical Institute and the department of molecular genetics and microbiology at the UF College of Medicine, show that male and female digit proportions are determined by the balance of sex hormones during early embryonic development. Differences in how these hormones activate receptors in males and females affect the growth of specific digits.


The discovery provides a genetic explanation for a raft of studies that link finger proportions with traits ranging from sperm counts, aggression, musical ability, sexual orientation and sports prowess, to health problems such as autism, depression, heart attack and breast cancer.

Cohn and Zheng, also members of the UF Genetics Institute, found that the developing digits of male and female mouse embryos are packed with receptors for sex hormones. By following the prenatal development of the limb buds of mice, which have a digit length ratio similar to humans, the scientists controlled the gene signaling effects of androgen — also known as testosterone — and estrogen.

Essentially, more androgen equated to a proportionally longer fourth digit. More estrogen resulted in a feminized appearance. The study uncovered how these hormonal signals govern the rate at which skeletal precursor cells divide, and showed that different finger bones have different levels of sensitivity to androgen and estrogen.


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Rachel

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Lori

Both of my index fingers are barely shorter....

And I wear a women's size 7.5-8.0 shoe.
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Clare Brigid

Both fingers are precisely 8.4 cm. So I have a ratio of 1.0.
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alabamagirl

Mine are pretty close to the same size, just from looking at them.
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Joanna Dark

I declare this post necro'd bu the power of the Goddess, so mote it be lol

Quote from: Jesslee on March 14, 2013, 04:40:09 PM
Essentially, more androgen equated to a proportionally longer fourth digit. More estrogen resulted in a feminized appearance. The study uncovered how these hormonal signals govern the rate at which skeletal precursor cells divide, and showed that different finger bones have different levels of sensitivity to androgen and estrogen.

Interesting, I think if you fall into the femme ratio you prolly believe it, if not, you don't. I'm not sure what to think, but my ring finger is much longer by just looking. I wouldn't base your transition on it...of course, this is coming from someone who basically transitioned on a whim and a prayer, though I have thought about it my whole life and one day I just did it. First I ordered them (HRT), then went to Mazzoni. I'd prolly be much farther along if I had juts went to mazzoni. It's much less expensive and I was on a very low dose because self-medding is dangerous and so I kept it light. How I changed so much from that dose, I'll never know. Really, I've only been doing this for nine months.
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sad panda

All I can say is holy cow y'all have some loooong fingers, I'm jealous, mine are so stubby like 64mm, I can barely even reach an octave on a piano ;A;
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Carrie Liz

#52
Just so everyone knows, scientifically, only about 45% of trans women have this digit ratio anomaly, so having it doesn't prove your transness any more than not having it disproves it. There are cis-men who have longer index fingers too. The difference is, they'd look at that result and say "that doesn't prove anything. I'm a man!" Where a trans woman would look at that exact same result and say "See! See! This means that I should have been a woman!"

So basically all it's doing is telling you what you already know. ;)
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Wednesday

Index 74 mm, ring 68 mm.

By the way index finger is a lot chubbier. Does this count as extra femme lol?
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Alaia

Measuring from the bottom crease both index and ring are 84mm. Yeah, I have big hands...



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Michelle69

Mine are the same length, whatever that proves. I am with Sad Panda though, in that I have itty bitty hands. I knew that they were small, same with the feet, but I had no idea how small until reading this and measuring. I am average in hight, 5'10", apparently my hands and feet didn't get the average person memo. 66 mm, wow. I guess that it's a good thing that I never tried to play the piano.
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LordKAT

I ignored this for long enough. I got curious and measured, whether  or not it means anything.

Left hand: Index, 72; Ring, 77. Right hand: Index, 71; Ring, 75.

I'll let someone else do the math part.
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Emily1996

My index and ring finger are equal  :D
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AnnaCannibal

Index finger slightly longer than ring finger!  I have tiny hands as well.  I guess this means I'm a girl!  :P  Oh wait...I have size 13 men's shoes and extremely broad shoulders.  Cant have it all I guess.
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LizMarie

As Carrie Liz notes, this is an indicator, not fool proof evidence one way or the other.

In my own case, my male siblings all have pronounced longer ring fingers whereas my index finger is just barely longer than the ring finger, which matched my mother, and matches my sister and daughter.

As for hand size, I thought my hands large and said so, until three cisgender female friends put my hands up against theirs. It turns out my hands are the same size or even a bit smaller than three other cisgender women who are as tall or taller than myself. (Yes, although 5 foot 10 inches in height, I have several cisgender female friends as tall or taller than me. That has helped me let go of my height issues.)
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