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Started by spacerace, March 25, 2013, 01:58:13 PM

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spacerace

yeah, so the 'shocked' thread had me worried about long term effects of hormones, so I spent some time on pubmed making myself feel better about it - but I came across something I found interesting, so I figured I would share because it is positive.

It's a study done on the effects of cross-sex hormones on cognitive processing and this is the conclusion:

it says:

" This study shows that testosterone had an enhancing, and not quickly reversible effect, on spatial ability performance, but no deteriorating effect on verbal fluency in adult women (FMs)"  (with adult women, they are unfortunately referring to FTMs here)

link: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10341369

so good for us? we get left brain and right brain preferences?  yay spacial processing without losing word skills

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Natkat

actually the shocked thread didnt worry me, my mom used to give me a speach like that, so it just seamed familia.. LOL
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im not sure on your question, do you ask if you think transfolks change there brain setting on T..
well I guess T dose infect alot overall on the body also the brain.

once I took a male/female brain test pre T it said I had a 50%male50%female brain out of 100 on each side.
then after some time on T I took the test again and it said my brain where 50% male, and 0%female brain on each side. I dont know if this is because I took the test twice or because my brain actually had changed in the meanwhile being on T.

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spacerace

Quote from: Natkat on March 25, 2013, 02:23:17 PM
im not sure on your question, do you ask if you think transfolks change there brain setting on T..
well I guess T dose infect alot overall on the body also the brain.

no question at all - I was just sharing the fact a medical study says we may get more brain function as a result of taking T, so yay us
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Nero

Hmm sounds good. Not sure if I have more spacial ability or not. I'm not a better driver or anything lol.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Mr.X

I say that's kinda awesome!
And that does explain why women tend to have a little more difficulty reading maps (or is that a very old stereotype?) if their spatial ability is not as high due to estrogene.

But that raises another question. What about MtF's? Do they also get two sides of a coin, or are they actually losing this spatial ability and gain verbal fluency?
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brainiac

Just a quick note about brain and cognitive ability differences and sex--the differences that are discussed between males and females are extremely small statistically speaking. The overlap in ability is massive compared to the observed average differences. If you compare the size of these differences with something like average height differences between males and females, which is a strong difference, it really looks minor. Additionally, there is good data that suggests that socialization has a very important influence on these abilities; while most people don't realize it male and female infants are treated differently from day 1 (though I suspect we trans people are more aware of gendered socialization due to how our assigned gender didn't mesh with us). Boys are encouraged more to participate in activities like building blocks and throwing balls, both of which increase spatial ability (boys are on average initially slightly more interested in these activities, likely due to some "hardwired" differences). The same is true for girls and social play. The belief that boys' weaknesses in verbal ability and girls' weaknesses in spatial computation are innate/hardwired mean that educators work less on building these skills in kids ("Oh, he's a boy, he's naturally bad at reading."), which reinforces these skill gaps over the years. And if you bring stereotype threat in, well, that makes it even worse. Stereotype threat is the well-studied phenomenon in which reminding someone that their social group (e.g. gender) has a particular negative stereotype means that they do worse on tests measuring ability in that area. Like reminding girls that "girls are bad at math" makes them score worse on a math test than when this isn't brought up.

A really good book on cognitive differences in gender (where all this info came from) is Pink Brain, Blue Brain by Dr. Lise Eliot. It's got a lot of data, but I still think it's accessible and a really interesting read.

That's not to say that I don't think these effects are real--these hormonal effects are particularly convincing because you have a "true experiment" rather than just correlational data. One thing I wonder about, that doesn't seem to be addressed here, is a potential difference here between cis females and FTMs when testosterone is given. If FTMs have brains with structures that mean they "should" have higher T levels (so, a "male brain"), you could see greater improvement in spatial skills in FTMs than cis females with the application of T. I'll have to do a lit search and see if anyone's looked into that. :)

Quote from: Mr.X on March 25, 2013, 02:53:06 PM
But that raises another question. What about MtF's? Do they also get two sides of a coin, or are they actually losing this spatial ability and gain verbal fluency?
I looked up the paper, and oddly enough, they got no differences. MtFs neither had a decline in spatial ability nor an increase in verbal ability.
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Ayden

I read the same thing fairly recently. I'm a year on hormones (as of a week ago) and frankly, I haven't noticed any change in anything. I'm just less depressed. Maybe I'm the odd duck out but the only change I have had is that I'm less likely to break down.
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