I was looking on the NHS website and came across a statement about T and it's changes.

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If you are a trans man, some of the changes that you may notice from hormone therapy include:

• you may have more body and facial hair

• you may have more muscle

• your clitoris (a small, sensitive part of the female genitals) may get bigger

• your periods may stop

• you may have an increased sex drive (libido)

Hormone therapy can also cause baldness and acne in trans men. Your voice may get slightly deeper, but it will not be as deep as other men's voices.

I just found it strange that the rest of the effects they always say "may" or "can", but on voice it's a blanket statement of "rarrr this will never happen, you'll never be like the other men!"  And I've heard guys on youtube who have really deep voices, and anyway, there's no standard male voice, take Joe Pasquale for example.

Yeah I also heard many transmen, (I guess I can include myself) with a pretty normal male voice.

I mean I heard it something with mens throats is generally longer so there voices is to get deeper than ftms who usunally is smaller and have a smaller throat.

but the deepness in your voice also depends on other things than just that, I where told by my ex sing teacher that my voice where high but I had been used to speak in a rather deep voice, so now when im on T its pretty deep, I guess if I where used to speak in a very high voice my voice would surely sound diffrent.

My voice is deeper than my father's 

If that is true, I think it is probably an insignificant difference. If you would like your speaking voice to be slightly lower, I'm sure you can train yourself to speak with a slightly deeper voice.

It does come across to me as a "you will never be like real men" kind of blanket statement. Also, I have never read that anywhere else.

Another one of those darn genetic thingamabobs.

Happens with cis guys too. Just listen to Ross Matthews or Chris Colfer.

My voice is now a deep baritone and it certainly was no where near that starting out. 

I also have a little bit of an Adam's apple, that was not there before, which I adore.

So yeah that's a fairly vindictive blanket statement on the  NHS website which is quite untrue.   

I can't understand how they can get away with saying that when they're supposed to be the people helping us.  We're supposed to go along and trust part of their team with what can be for some the most difficult and darkest secret we've been holding needing their help, and they're saying things like this.  It doesn't help that people go looking to the NHS for advice and expecting it to be a trustworthy resource -- what does all our tax go to anyway? -- and they're telling our families that might go looking to understand better that we won't ever be normal.

It's a little thing but it bleeding well annoys me.

God I wish my voice would drop... bah. Anyways that statement is almost funny. I've heard some trans guys who have deeper, smoother voices than normal cis-guys. I've also heard others trans-men who don't have very male voices (*raise hand*) it's just a roll of DNA. Maybe they don't want to raise your hopes? dunno. I'd almost be inclined to email them and have them re-phrase that statement, but that's just me

It also depends how you use your voice. They may have observed a number of FTMs who end up sounding "gay" because they still use the female intonation.

Quote from: Caleb. on April 02, 2013, 08:52:26 PM
It also depends how you use your voice. They may have observed a number of FTMs who end up sounding "gay" because they still use the female intonation.

I've found that not only how deep your voice is, but also your inflections and how you speak will help you pass or not pass if you're early on in transition.

I recorded an audio clip it's about 5 minutes long (I know...long) trying to explain the different things in my voice that I recognize.

1. Pronunciation of S sounds (especially at the beginning of words). I don't know why, but I feel that the way I make "s" sounds is a bit different from cis guys.

2. Talking from a tense voice vs relaxed voice...when I get tense I talk from the top of my throat, but when I'm relaxed everything is groovy.

3. Being on T is like no longer having helium in your lungs. When you inhale helium you talk in a high pitch squeeky voice but when you run out you still sound similar to how you were sounding because you're adjusted to talking with that part of your throat. It's the same idea with T. It's the best analogy I can think of.

Edit to add: my family thinks I talk like William Shatner....this is kinda making me realize they're right.

I've been on T for a month. Really heard the drop. I can sometimes pass almost on voice alone (well and an androgynous though male-ish appearance). It isn't really low and seems to kind of go all over the place. I definitely sound gay but it is because I have female speech patterns.

--Jay

I think this is nonsense!  What's a normal man's voice anyway?

I pass on voice pre-T, even when dealing with official correspondence where my birth name is on record!  I can't tell you the amount of times I've been on the phone with my bank and been called sir even though I had to clarify my name a minute earlier (and oh how I love it). 

I have no idea why something like this would even bother to say that.  I'd understand an out like "Results may not be comparable to other men" but to flat out say it won't when we know that it often can and does, that's just like displaying flat out incompetence!!!

Did Cameron have a say in this write up?  Maybe he's sneaking into different sections and adding nonsense like this to discredit the NHS?  Sneaky little bugger!

Quote from: aleon515 on April 02, 2013, 10:35:27 PM
I've been on T for a month. Really heard the drop. I can sometimes pass almost on voice alone (well and an androgynous though male-ish appearance). It isn't really low and seems to kind of go all over the place. I definitely sound gay but it is because I have female speech patterns.

--Jay

Feel my envy burn Jay! Lol naw.

I agree with all the above statements, while my own voice hasn't dropped much, I took a video from the horse a few days ago. I speak on it, ti was the first time i'd heard my voice since being on T. While others may not have really noticed a change, due to it being so gradual, I actually noticed a huge different. When I speak in a relaxed tone and from low in my throat I can get sounding pretty male, when I sing in the car I use it as an exercise to go as long as possible. Sounds pretty good to my ears! My problem is that a) my voice isn't very low to begin with, which I then feed by b) almost always talking in the high part of my throat, both of these things making my pitch go up.

Also, while not everyone will achieve a true male pitch there are things the individual can do to lower his voice.
Found this picture today on my searches, thought it was fitting;


There are even some cis-men who struggle with high pitched voices. Theres on individual who was a politician i believe who had an awful nasaly high voice, but he took some lessons and now has a very nice voice (i can't for the life of me recall his name). So while not all of us may 'end up' with deep voices because of the T alone, with some effort we can certainly get a male voice.

I'm just to lazy to take my own advice lol x)

This had better not be true. I'm pre-T and I sure as hell don't want to sound like a cross between an elderly goat and a fax machine for the rest of my life.

If it wasn't for the fact that I've heard guys go on T and get deeper voices, I wouldn't bother with T. The voice is one of the main reasons I want to go on it and if I can't get that then screw that crap. It might not be a guarantee to get the lower voice, but it could be worth a shot. My voice is so high pitched I cant stand it...

I sound exactly like my younger brother, according to everyone in the family. Top that with the fact that the kids I work with call me big brother *because* of how deep my voice sounds, I'd say its a mileage thing. Despite being (to quote a student of mine) 'too pretty for a boy, cause they are gross', my voice tells them I'm male. The parents are surprised to hear that I'm biologically female.

My voice isn't as deep as my husbands, but it's much deeper than a couple of friends. Again, your mileage may vary.

Quote from: Liminal Stranger on April 03, 2013, 12:21:17 AM
This had better not be true. I'm pre-T and I sure as hell don't want to sound like a cross between an elderly goat and a fax machine for the rest of my life.

This cracked me up. 
Well mine's not as deep as my dad's, but then I never thought a voice that deep would fit me so I'm glad. I don't know whether mine's comparable to cis men's or not. I suppose it is, but I don't use it correctly half the time. I keep trying to talk in my old voice. Accidentally. But I'm not pressed about it.

Whoever wrote that list is full of it. I've heard trans guys deeper than Barry White.

Just to add my random 2 cents, I was browsing around YouTube, as I so often do, and a cis-guy put up a video for fell cis-guys on how to deepen their voices which is the exact same as techniques as the one made for FTMs. All in all I find that no matter how deep or not deep your voice goes, T changes something to make it sound more masculine even if it is still in the tennor/alto range. I don't know where that website got their information but I have definitely heard some voices that have gotten pretty dang low and I've heard some pretty high cis male voices.

Quote from: Liminal Stranger on April 03, 2013, 12:21:17 AM
This had better not be true. I'm pre-T and I sure as hell don't want to sound like a cross between an elderly goat and a fax machine for the rest of my life.

I'm trying to think of a joke involving , but that's just because I so thoroughly enjoy it.

Quote from: Liminal Stranger on April 03, 2013, 12:21:17 AM
This had better not be true. I'm pre-T and I sure as hell don't want to sound like a cross between an elderly goat and a fax machine for the rest of my life.

loooool xD