And please keep in mind that at least theoretically there are two big groups of TS - so called "early set" and "late set". While they might appear quite similar, in fact, they are totally different in etiology, sexuality etc. Early set transitioners tend to transition somewhere between their teens and the age of 25. Whereas the late set transitioners can and will transition at any time of their life.

I will try to find that article, which was quite an interesting read... But in general, yes, early set are described as "homosexual" as regards their birth assigned gender, which is, of course, a wrong term with regard to the brain wiring (as stated in the article as well), whereas late set are usually heterosexual or bi, or they start as hetero and turn bi during the HRT.

Quote from: Sammy on May 24, 2013, 10:45:44 AM
I will try to find that article, which was quite an interesting read... But in general, yes, early set are described as "homosexual" as regards their birth assigned gender, which is, of course, a wrong term with regard to the brain wiring (as stated in the article as well), whereas late set are usually heterosexual or bi, or they start as hetero and turn bi during the HRT.

Really looking forward to reading it

Quote from: Sammy on May 24, 2013, 03:42:32 AM
And please keep in mind that at least theoretically there are two big groups of TS - so called "early set" and "late set". While they might appear quite similar, in fact, they are totally different in etiology, sexuality etc. Early set transitioners tend to transition somewhere between their teens and the age of 25. Whereas the late set transitioners can and will transition at any time of their life.

I thought this theory was discredited years ago.

Quote from: Sammy on May 24, 2013, 03:42:32 AM
And please keep in mind that at least theoretically there are two big groups of TS - so called "early set" and "late set". While they might appear quite similar, in fact, they are totally different in etiology, sexuality etc. Early set transitioners tend to transition somewhere between their teens and the age of 25. Whereas the late set transitioners can and will transition at any time of their life.

Just sounds like more cubbyholing to me!

Started at 54 and that was 5 years ago and now a 38C.  So yes it still works.

Quote from: suzifrommd on May 24, 2013, 11:04:49 AM
I thought this theory was discredited years ago.

I dunno - when I read it for the first time, many things seemed quite reasonable to me.

Quote from: Sammy on May 24, 2013, 12:13:14 PM
I dunno - when I read it for the first time, many things seemed quite reasonable to me.

Do you know what keywords I'd have to use on google to find an article or information about that?

Also, by etiology, in this case you mean the origin or cause of their transsexualism? So, it's proposed that "late set" transitioners have GID for reasons different from "early set" transitioners? I don't know if I can really believe that... I'd have to look into it some more.

I am trying to use the keywords I am remembering, but I keep failing for some reaons...
No, there was nothing about the origins, which are still unclear - as far as I know, the theory about insufficient androgynisation of brain is still like not 100% confirmed, is it? But it is not that important for me, since I have to live with what I have and once I am already stuck with GD, I would be better with tools to deal with it, rather than to know what caused it, providing that it is still unreversible .
The only thing I disagreed in that theory was the suggestion that for late set the cross dressing played a major part, when forming the TS identity, because it effectively was quite contrary to my own experience, but to each her own .

The article also suggested that late set TS tend to have higher than average IQ, whereas early set TS have average or slightly below average IQ - that, of course, can be a major source of hate as well.

OK, I got it - apparently that article was related to the criticised Blanchard theory, which are another cause of major hate at some period of time - I am still learning a lot of "old" things for the first time . Well, nevermind, it still was interesting to read notwithstanding how it was received - I guess that is the usual way how theories work.

And I have no idea what "cubbyholing" means .

I started at 29... and I have NO problems passing at all.

Quote from: Alainaluvsu on May 24, 2013, 12:37:52 PM
I started at 29... and I have NO problems passing at all.

Miracle girl. >.>

Omg :O ZoeM

What happened?

You look so different! And in a good way! Omg! Hrt is doing wonders for you.

Quote from: Sammy on May 24, 2013, 12:33:17 PM
I am trying to use the keywords I am remembering, but I keep failing for some reaons...
No, there was nothing about the origins, which are still unclear - as far as I know, the theory about insufficient androgynisation of brain is still like not 100% confirmed, is it? But it is not that important for me, since I have to live with what I have and once I am already stuck with GD, I would be better with tools to deal with it, rather than to know what caused it, providing that it is still unreversible .
The only thing I disagreed in that theory was the suggestion that for late set the cross dressing played a major part, when forming the TS identity, because it effectively was quite contrary to my own experience, but to each her own .

The article also suggested that late set TS tend to have higher than average IQ, whereas early set TS have average or slightly below average IQ - that, of course, can be a major source of hate as well.

OK, I got it - apparently that article was related to the criticised Blanchard theory, which are another cause of major hate at some period of time - I am still learning a lot of "old" things for the first time . Well, nevermind, it still was interesting to read notwithstanding how it was received - I guess that is the usual way how theories work.

And I have no idea what "cubbyholing" means .

I'm not sure what cubbyholing means either :O But I think it means separating people into different categories? The trans community is already pretty divided, so I guess the "early set" and "late set" theory would just further exacerbate that problem xD

Quote from: kyh on May 24, 2013, 01:08:14 PM
Omg :O ZoeM

What happened?

You look so different! And in a good way! Omg! Hrt is doing wonders for you.

Well, let's see. I got rid of the paper mask and hair, then...

Kidding. Actually I think I just got really lucky with the camera. One in a hundred shot, or thereabouts. But thanks.

Quote from: ZoeM on May 24, 2013, 01:11:45 PM
Well, let's see. I got rid of the paper mask and hair, then...

Kidding. Actually I think I just got really lucky with the camera. One in a hundred shot, or thereabouts. But thanks.

Idk, I think you look female and gorgeous in your new profile pic. Trick of the camera or not! ^_^

Quote from: kyh on May 24, 2013, 01:10:08 PM
I'm not sure what cubbyholing means either :O But I think it means separating people into different categories? The trans community is already pretty divided, so I guess the "early set" and "late set" theory would just further exacerbate that problem xD

Precisely!

Quote from: Sammy on May 24, 2013, 12:13:14 PM
I dunno - when I read it for the first time, many things seemed quite reasonable to me.

From Julia Serrano's "The Case Against Autogynephelia" (http://learningtrans.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/serano-agreview-ijt.pdf):

QuoteBlanchard's
subtypes were not empirically derived but rather
stemmed from his initial grouping of individuals
based on their sexual orientation, thus, "begging
the question" that transsexuals fall into subtypes
based on their sexual orientation; (b) that he
did not include nontranssexual female control
groups; (c) that Blanchard relied exclusively on
clinical samples that may not accurately reflect
the greater nonclinical transgender population
(c.f., Hooker, 1957); and (d) that his results had
not been replicated. Indeed, Blanchard himself
described his results as "provisional" and stated
that "the present findings, therefore, need repli-
cation"

PQ

There is no difference in masculinization between someone at 19 and that same person at 25. In fact, I would doubt you could tell any difference at all in appearance other then skin, and aging. The only thing that grows after 18-20 is your nose. And really a late transitioner is 26-34? No way. Late transitioner is more defined by age 50 or over. The single most important factor in how well you will pass is how masculine your are. I passed at 73 days and have been called sir exactly once since then. (Had a really bad beard shadow going on). Oh yeah and I like guys. I'm 30. I'm also well on my way to C cups. And if you look at some of the other 30 year old MTFs here I see the same pattern. In fact, us 30 year old old hags are some of the prettiest MTFs there are! Ha! Take that. JK lol But really...

The single reason I did not transition earlier is because it was nowhere near as easy in 2001-2. There was no YouTube. No Susan's. No nothing. If I would've known then what I know now I would have done something. The reason this makes me so mad is because right now there is prob some 27 year old reading this who will give up because they read stuff like after 25 you can't pass as easy. BS. They may even turn to drugs or worse as the pain becomes unbearable. I would hate that and I can't stand for it. As a community we really need to stop separating ourselves so much. (I mean look at some of the comments sometime about drag queens. eww I say.I would become I drag queen for money but I am too feminine.) I would bet 90 percent of so-called late transtioners would have transitioned when they were 20 if the conditions then were the same as today. The whole sexuality thing is absurd. Sorry. rant over. I hope I didn't offend anyone I wasn't trying to.

Yeah, it seems most people would want to transition earlier if they could have.  I don't think there really is a difference between early and late transitioners.  It sucks that society makes things so hard and I really feel for those who couldn't transition until they were older.  However, even though us younger ones have more support out there, it still is tough.  In my case, I should have had no problem transitioning earlier, but was very weak.  I had a friend who had started transitioned that supported me in every step of the way and an educational system that  I could have taken advantage of.  Still, when you are young and facing the pressures of transitioning it is pretty difficult. Even with the support structures around us today, it is still incredibly hard.  Now, I'm still in my early twenties and actually making a start, but wish I had gone forward when I was 19.