I envy the second woman. She's visibly been trying hard, yet het arms are still smaller than mine. (No doubt she's heaps stronger though.)

Eh, break both legs? Oh, but that would bulk up your arms because they'd be used for locomotion... Break all limbs! (but be careful to keep your wrists healthy for, uhm, entertainment)

More seriously, in the past, I've been told to consult with a private trainer, that they would have efficient ideas for reduction of fat and muscle. Surprisingly, if I believe what I've been told, there is exercise that REDUCES muscle, compared to inactivity. I don't nearly have the money for such a fancy thing, but if you do consult a private trainer, I would love to be informed!

PS: I wasn't saying I envied the muscle, just but the inability of building any large muscles, as opposed to me, who's just sitting most of the day, almost never doing any exercise, and still has more muscle than that. As far as I'm concerned, of course the steroids woman is disgusting, but the second one's muscles aren't enviable to me either. I want to be thin, and I've been heavily traumatized by my muscles, so I don't care about being "fit", as long as I'm healthy and sort of in shape.

Quote from: girl you look fierce on May 22, 2013, 08:13:09 PM
How can I lose thigh muscle when I have to walk all the time??

On vacation I really noticed how fat my thighs are.. I swear half my weight is just in my thighs. I got sores between them chafing from walking all day.. And I was jealous of the girls w the skinnier thighs

I have pretty fat thighs too and always have since puberty. It would take a lot for me to wear short shorts even though I adore the look and I have great legs but I have stretch marks all down my inner thighs and they're really bad right around my groin but they go half way to my knees. In 2003 I got sick like something fierce and I had to inject this medication into my thighs to get well. The nurse said too bad you're not a girl then you could inject it in your thighs because girls have way more fat there and guys have all muscle and then she squeezed my thighs and was like "Ooh great! You can do it just like every other girl there and it's so much easier. Lucky you!"

I think she was trying to be nice and just figured I could do it there since I also have severe gynemcostia (and stretch marks on my boobs too) and was trying to be nice without coming out and you're build just like a woman.

But yeah I have to walk a lot too and I think now that you are suppressing your T a lot better (which is awesome btw I'm really happy for you!) that the any muscles there will atrophy. You may get fatter thighs as a result but that's a lot better then icky muscle.

Quote from: A on May 22, 2013, 08:05:15 AM
Sigh, why am I not noticing any capability differences? My mother is still stronger than I and has always been, but I'm still not weak by my standards and haven't gotten weaker. :c

Well how long has it been?, it does not happen over night, I have been on HRT for 19 years this last time, and I still have some muscle left over from when I worked out at 19, at 50 I can still show a pretty impressive bicep. Now there is no way I can pick up a 250 pound pipe like I did as a machinist at 19 or lift a motorcycle like I did when I was younger, I have trouble opening jars now 
but there is still some muscle left. The point is it takes time.

Quote from: girl you look fierce on May 22, 2013, 08:13:09 PM
How can I lose thigh muscle when I have to walk all the time??

On vacation I really noticed how fat my thighs are.. I swear half my weight is just in my thighs. I got sores between them chafing from walking all day.. And I was jealous of the girls w the skinnier thighs

As I said above patients , let the HRT work, even as you do do things the muscles can go away, I ride a bicycle every day and my muscles are not getting any bigger. With the HRT muscles don't really seem to develop as much, just let them slowly go away, keep walking to stay fit.

Eh, fifteen months since my testosterone became low for even a girl. To be honest after so many years antiandrogens can't do more for you. Unless this whole time they've been insufficiently dosed.

Oh, and I have never worked out or done any strength-related exercise except when forced at school, and believe me, I made a point of making it utterly useless and stretching truth on my journal sheets. Maybe I've done... 200 repetitions total of lifting 20 lbs with both hands; up to 10 with my shoulders but seriously that was only when the teacher was looking; I mostly stuck with 5. A total of maybe 40 push-ups in my life. All forced, and all incredibly difficult. Never more than 10 at once, though mostly I collapsed after 3, or 5 with willpower.

Whatever I can have done, apart from carrying grocery bags which I still do every ~10 days, and my school bag and purse, their effects should be long gone now. Weights were about 8 years ago, and the last time I entered a physical conditioning room was 3(?) years ago for my college physical education class. Never did anything with the arms, and even if it was the legs, I tried to keep it as cardio as possible.

Quote from: A on May 23, 2013, 06:19:42 PM
Eh, fifteen months since my testosterone became low for even a girl. To be honest after so many years antiandrogens can't do more for you. Unless this whole time they've been insufficiently dosed.

Oh, and I have never worked out or done any strength-related exercise except when forced at school, and believe me, I made a point of making it utterly useless and stretching truth on my journal sheets. Maybe I've done... 200 repetitions total of lifting 20 lbs with both hands; up to 10 with my shoulders but seriously that was only when the teacher was looking; I mostly stuck with 5. A total of maybe 40 push-ups in my life. All forced, and all incredibly difficult. Never more than 10 at once, though mostly I collapsed after 3, or 5 with willpower.

Whatever I can have done, apart from carrying grocery bags which I still do every ~10 days, and my school bag and purse, their effects should be long gone now. Weights were about 8 years ago, and the last time I entered a physical conditioning room was 3(?) years ago for my college physical education class. Never did anything with the arms, and even if it was the legs, I tried to keep it as cardio as possible.

That is not all that long at all in the face of a whole life, give it time, remember, a whole body gets reconstructed every seven years.

(I actually was a body builder when I was 19 and had to let the hormones take that down, so you do not have it so bad) I worked everything, and had extreme muscles and the HRT got rid of it, but it did take like 2 years or so. please have patience and let it work.

Oh, but I do have patience; tons of it. I was tossed around for 3 years before finally being allowed HRT, and then I've been waiting for a decent dose of estrogen for 15 months, yet I'm still here, not suicidal (well, not often) and not self-medicating. I'm usually humble, but may I call that iron patience?

Hope, however, I don't have much of it. Sort of feels like my body regards big biceps as just as essential as bones without osteoporose, and much more important than not giving me yucky pimples and smells whenever I let my scalp or underwear area be moist. :p Also, I should mention that at 22 years old, things are supposed to go much faster and better than in someone older.

Quote from: A on May 23, 2013, 06:57:28 PM
Oh, but I do have patience; tons of it. I was tossed around for 3 years before finally being allowed HRT, and then I've been waiting for a decent dose of estrogen for 15 months, yet I'm still here, not suicidal (well, not often) and not self-medicating. I'm usually humble, but may I call that iron patience?

Hope, however, I don't have much of it. Sort of feels like my body regards big biceps as just as essential as bones without osteoporose, and much more important than not giving me yucky pimples and smells whenever I let my scalp or underwear area be moist. :p Also, I should mention that at 22 years old, things are supposed to go much faster and better than in someone older.

I am sorry you had it so hard, that is very difficult    when I went through HRT and it took me that much time, I was 23 though so I was not that much older than you, they started me on a fairly low dose, and then ramped it up.

The question is when will they invent something where we can lose height. I'm 5'10 and I hate it.

Quote from: Jenni on May 24, 2013, 04:37:01 AM
The question is when will they invent something where we can lose height. I'm 5'10 and I hate it.

Why so? There are plenty of women in that range and nobody says You have to be under 5"6'... I am 5"9' and I am very comfortable with my height.

Quote from: Jenni on May 24, 2013, 04:37:01 AM
The question is when will they invent something where we can lose height. I'm 5'10 and I hate it.

Feel Lucky I am 6'4" From what I heard it is possible to lose as much as an inch from HRT which still puts me at 6'3"

Alaina lost, what, 4 inches? I think you can expect anything from the most empty nothingness to shrinking a lot. :p

Sammy: Depends on people. Some like to be tall, because it gives them an overlook on people and makes them feel less vulnerable. Other dislike it, because it attracts attention and makes them feel superior. Others, regardless of all that, just hate it because taller means having more of a male trait. Because it doesn't matter that there are many tall women; women are still statistically shorter.

I was 5'6.25 inches since I was 16 and haven't grown at all. Since HRT, I am now 5'5. I can't imagine being 5'3. But if I shrink to 5'4 I won't mind. I am happy where I am at so I hope I don't shrink at all but whatev I have to do this so can't change it. And I am not mis-measuring it is really happening. I shrunk a 1/4 inch in the last month.

I know it's probably stupid but I've always wanted to be dainty and petite.

5'3" is more or less the average height for a woman, though, isn't it?

Jenni: It's not stupid, and you're not alone in that either. It's just frustrating for feminists.

Quote from: Jenni on May 24, 2013, 05:50:31 PM
I know it's probably stupid but I've always wanted to be dainty and petite.

I think most of us here do.

Quote from: Jenni on May 24, 2013, 05:50:31 PM
I know it's probably stupid but I've always wanted to be dainty and petite.

Not at all stupid. I totally get that, especially among my larger women friends.

Opposite for me. I've wanted to be a tall thin model type. I have the body for it (though it's gotten a bit flabby over the decades), but not the face.

Wow all this talk about being petite or Tall thin model type is getting me anxious to see what I am going to look like when it is all said and done 

Well, I'm "short" but still taller than the average woman, and also pretty bulky, which is probably second behind tall and bulky in what a woman doesn't want to be. And despite still not especially trying and still not having a good hormone dose I mostly pass. So don't worry too much, will ya?

Quote from: Jenni on May 24, 2013, 05:50:31 PM
I know it's probably stupid but I've always wanted to be dainty and petite.

Well muscles aren't cute!