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Androgyne and HRT

Started by Melanie Anne, March 01, 2012, 12:28:34 PM

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ativan

We are a diverse group both physically and mentally.
I suppose you could divide us into a few categories, but I see no advantage in it.
Even the designations of FAAB and MAAB seem to follow a loose pattern.
There, the difference is what low dose HRT consists of. T or E basically. Although there is more to it.
At first I thought about the placebo effect and discussed this with my Dr and Psychologist.
They confirmed that there is of course going to be some. It's a wait and see kind of thing.
So more than a year later, I'm pretty sure that part of it has run it's course.
And there was some. It just tapered off on it's own, I hardly gave it a thought.
I also tried higher doses and found the effects to go beyond the range of my dysphoria.
It was fun while it lasted. The physical changes caught me off guard and I even quit altogether for a short time.
This gave me time to re-evaluate just what I was trying to accomplish.

This is where all of us being more or less individuals comes in.
Even at full transition levels, the effects are not going to be consistent.
At low dose, this is even more apparent. And the amounts you take are going to be different.
What you are going to be taking may be different than the next person. There are several ways to do this.
For MAAB, a T blocker and E is the usual, although even just a T blocker is pretty potent in itself.
For FAAB it's going to be T. Various ways of doing this also. I'm not that up on it, being MAAB.
The thing to keep in mind is that it is more about the ratio than the amount of T and E in your system.
There is a range and even in that range, two people with the same numbers are going to have different effects.
Although with more ongoing research being done, they are able to narrow down the results somewhat.
There is a long ways to go there. It really is a try it and wait and see kind of thing.

Yep, there is going to be a certain amount of placebo effect, But it is no different than talk therapy for most.
You're right about just taking the first steps is going to change your perspective. How could it not? Well maybe not.
Even prescription and otherwise drugs have different effects on different people.

There are some things that are predictable in a fashion.
It is very likely that it will quiet the 'noise' of dysphoria.
But the effects of dysphoria will still be there. That's where talk therapy is useful.
But for some just getting rid of the noise may be enough.
For others, no amount of HRT will stop it. It's in your head, it's from your life.
I'm sure there are studies that can pinpoint brain wiring and chemical reactions, etc.
But the bottom line there is that currently, there isn't a drug or whatever that stops it.
Wish there was. It's the hardest part of it all some days, every day for some of us.

What it really all means is that we have options that work.
It's checking each one, deciding if it is for you or not.
Almost an endless combination of sorts, but not quite that bad.
It pays to look into each and every option available to you.
Then try the ones you want, and wait and see. There isn't an overnight option.
It takes time for your body to adjust to whatever level of whatever you are taking.
Patience. You spent your life getting to this point, now spend the time to get it right.

Be upfront with your Drs and Therapist/Psychologists.
They have heard it all before and are doing what they can to help.
If it is something new, hey, you just contributed to the well being of the next person.
Which is also why we talk about this here. Sharing information and ideas. It works.
Just how low dose HRT (should start calling it LDHRT) works for each of us is going to be different.

Personally, I find that bit of information to be good.
Because if it doesn't work the way you think it should, you have lots of options.
You get to decide (it is always your decision, no matter what) how it is going to work and what you are going to get out of it.
Which is the other side of this. What we each want is different as well.
We don't have a road or well worn path to follow.
We get a lot of trails that criss-cross over each other in the forest.
Options and how they affect us. It's a process that takes time and sometimes different directions.
But stick with it. Don't give up. It works when you have the right combination.
It's not that hard to find it. You will get really good at knowing yourself out of it.
That's the best part of it all. That's what helps stop dysphoria the most.
Ativan
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Jamie D

Quote from: Q on May 03, 2013, 04:16:43 PM
I've just read all of this thread and there are so many great, interesting and informative posts in it.

After reading it, I am wondering, for those of you who have, or are, taking low dose hrt (and / or anti-androgens?) for purposes of reducing dysphoria, whether you have any thoughts on why you think doing that has reduced your dysphoria?

I am just at the beginning of proactively trying to tackle my own dysphoria, having only recently been to the dr's about it. At the moment I just intend to pursue counselling / therapy and possibly to consider finasteride for my hair. However, low dose hrt / anti-androgens were one of the things the dr talked about as perhaps a possible consideration in the future. For me, dysphoria has been such an all pervasive thing for so long that I can't really imagine anything reducing it.

I was only on low-dose for about six months before I had unrelated health issues.  But I can say this.  It helped me a lot.

Part of it had to be placebo/psychological - that I was actually doing some thing, any thing.  Also, I felt the burden of having to act in this expected societal role begin to lift.  I was less depressed because of it.

And another thing, the estrogen just "felt right".  My pre-HRT labs showed I naturally had low-normal T in my system, and higher than average (for a natal male) E.  That probably accounts for my persistent pubertal gynecomastia.

It is hard for me to understand it, but even being off the HRT for a year now, my mood has not soured and my body has not "re-masculinized."  I suppose staying hopeful helps too.
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Eva Marie

Quote from: Q on May 03, 2013, 04:16:43 PM
I've just read all of this thread and there are so many great, interesting and informative posts in it.

After reading it, I am wondering, for those of you who have, or are, taking low dose hrt (and / or anti-androgens?) for purposes of reducing dysphoria, whether you have any thoughts on why you think doing that has reduced your dysphoria?

I am just at the beginning of proactively trying to tackle my own dysphoria, having only recently been to the dr's about it. At the moment I just intend to pursue counselling / therapy and possibly to consider finasteride for my hair. However, low dose hrt / anti-androgens were one of the things the dr talked about as perhaps a possible consideration in the future. For me, dysphoria has been such an all pervasive thing for so long that I can't really imagine anything reducing it.

My wife has to take a medicine to help her remain calm. When she expressed concern to her doctor about it he said that her brain needed a chemical that her body cannot make.

Makes sense to me. Apparently as a bio-male my brain needs estrogen for some reason. A little bit of estrogen makes my world a much better place, and stops the madness that was going on in my head. My dysphoria is for the most part gone now.

So it's all good.
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Q

Shantel, Gerri, Ativan, Jamie and riven1 - thank you all for those insights. It's good to know there are different options to consider. The idea of low dose hrt is a relatively new one to me.
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ativan

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Emanuelle aka ema

Hellow everyone, im back again, can someone please talk about orchydectomy? pros and cons? xoxoxo
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Shantel

Quote from: Emanuelle aka ema on May 08, 2013, 08:14:46 PM
Hellow everyone, im back again, can someone please talk about orchydectomy? pros and cons? xoxoxo

Hi Ema,
       I sent you a pm describing my procedure....xox Shan
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bingunginter

Hi all, I'm on low dose hrt as well. Just like some of you hrt is a bit of dilemma for me too because I don't really want boob but want all the other benefit. Right now I do have little boob, very obvious If I'm naked but otherwise not noticeable. So for now as long as I'm not increasing my dosage I still get most of the benefit of hrt with just a little bit of breast growth. Some of the benefit that I noticed are stopped my mpb (very big deal for me), reduced dysphoria, and smooth skin.
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Emanuelle aka ema

That´s great bingunginter, how long have you been on low hrt? And what about the changes we want? i mean hipps, waist, buttocks? Did you measure your chest before? Im on the same dilemma, i dont want boobs, just everything else hahaha, i don´t understand what does mpb means, have a great day, xoxoxo
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bingunginter

About a year i think. I don't notice any significant change on the hip, buttocks, waist. Fat distribution for me occur mostly on chest and maybe face. I did not make any measurement. Mpb means male pattern baldness. I'm planning on having hair transplant, without some sort of hrt it will be useless.
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Q

Quote from: Q on May 03, 2013, 05:25:46 PM
lol... I'm a really laid back person anyway... I can't think that it could be possible to be more laid back than I already am.

I wonder if that is all personality type or whether I have lower than average testosterone, as I'm not particularly sex driven either. On the other hand I have no shortage of body hair... though that might be age as I didn't used to have when I was younger... It would be interesting to find out.

Well, the answer to this turned out to be I have normal testosterone levels but slightly above the normal male range of estradiol.

Also, apparently I have slightly high cholesterol and should cut fat from my diet. So, this blood testing has been good for something as I didn't know that... I shall work on improving my dietary habits.
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