I Want to Grow Big Man-boobs
My Wife Wants Me To Grow Breasts

We are a late 30's early 40's happily married couple. I have been an on & off cross dresser pretty much all my life.

My wife likes me wearing female clothes as she says I am a lot more relaxed & even tempered when "dressed" - She buys me clothes & shoes & I dress around the house often.

However, recently she has been pushing me to start herbal remedies to actually grow breasts. We have done a fair bit of research & it seems like it can be done but, it is a pretty permanent thing. The idea of having breasts is a turn on for both of us but it is a big commitment.
What do you guys think I should do? Go for it or tell her no.

I'd say no. There is a fair amount of commitment to having breasts, it's not just a turn-on thing. What will your work say if you came in sporting a pair of C's? How about your families? (Both of yours, yours and hers) Do you have kids? What about them?

There's a chance you could lose some of your "male" sex drive...are you willing to chance losing that? (Erections, the need to poke things with it, ejaculation, etc). You may start having sex as a woman...preferring caressing and being caressed over the actual orgasm.

Just a few thoughts...also herbs don't work as well as actual estrogen, but their side-effects (see above) are less, also.

I would also say no.  It sounds like you're going to remain a traditional couple (man and woman) and this is just a turn on for the bedroom.  How are you going to feel if you want to send some time at the hotel pool or hot tub?  What about going to the beach?  The Doctor?  Even wearing a tight tee shirt in the summer.  Having breasts might be embarrassing to both of you.  To say it is a big commitment is an understatement.  It's kind of life changing.

Besides herbals don't work very well if at all.

How big do you want to go? If they're too noticeable you'll have to deal with the stigma of being a man with breasts for the rest of your life. Is it worth it? If it is, like the others said, herbals won't get you the results you want.

Hey Cros,

I am also married with a supportive wife who now introduces me as her wife.  Since you have been cross dressing for sometime I wonder how much of the big picture for your very personal gender identity is included?  There is a nice broad spectrum of transgender people here at Susan's and you can find all kinds of journeys and private paths being explored.
As other respondents and you have noted, this is a commitment and herbs, I tried em, with insignificant results.  While labels are not always helpful, the bisexual orientation my wife and I share has made our odyssey lovingly inclusive and open to new ideas and people.  You may find the story of Stu Rasmussen, Mayor of Silverton, OR intriguing as he is a cross dresser, transgender and self proclaimed heterosexual.  Breasts are important to most of us but they are not the most critcal focus of change we experience--that's between our ears it seems?

Good Luck,
TJ

fwiw, I did herbs for 6 months prior to getting on HRT, and I did have measurable growth. Got the buds behind the nipples, and just before I got on HRT the nips were elevated about 1" off the chest (as measured by a ruler at the center of the chest). They were also much more sensitive to touch than man-nipples (which were flat on the chest).

So yeah, ymmv.

I'm assuming you've already tried breast forms for temporary boobs?

I thank you girls.
But on myself, I do desperately desire to have real boobs, or, as I put it, be a man with breasts. I'm a fairly skinny fellow, and would like to remain that way mostly, so I'm interested in growing real breasts, and I was just wondering how many men were actually interested in breasts as opposed to moobs, and how many women were actually interested in breasts on their men opposed to moobs.

or sure man. i would like a nice pair of D cups . but i dont want plastic surgury i want natural enhancment
Can anybody help me

If you're not interested in a breast augmentation, and want to "go natural", well, I don't think you'll get the results you want.

Herbals won't work and HRT isn't just something you can go on in a whim. Plus it comes with many other changes that probably will be unacceptable for you if your desire is to stay male (the way you are now) and just get boobs.

Herbs will not give you D cups. At most, they'll increase one cup size, and even that is "iffy."

Estrogen does a lot more than just give breasts (see my first post), and it takes several months to get the hormones. You could go the "informed consent" method, where you let the therapist know that you know the consequences, and if you find an endo who'll accept that then you'll be given two hormones: an anti-androgen (which kills off testosterone; your body, being male, will prefer T over Estrogen, given a choice, so you have to kill the choice for E to work), and estrogen (pills, shots, or patch, depending on what your endo offers, and your choice).

Once you get on hormones, it takes from 1-4 years to fully develop breasts.

Even with hormones, most MtF's seem to get A cups, a few get B's, a couple have gotten C's, and I've only heard of one who got DD's. So even with hormones, it's unlikely to get D's.

That's just how it is.

(I will say that I was a C-cup within three months on estrogen, before many other irreversible changes set in. But I get the impression I'm an outlier on that one, and I WAS using prescription estrogen - I don't think the herbals do much. Otherwise I will second everyone else that having breasts and living as a man is difficult and complicated; I went full-time earlier than I planned rather than deal with that hassle anymore! I'm also not at all slender, and breasts will look proportionally much larger on a slighter frame.)

(I wear anything between a 38D and 42DDD now, depending on the bra.)

Quote from: Beth Andrea on May 27, 2013, 10:50:59 AM
Herbs will not give you D cups. At most, they'll increase one cup size, and even that is "iffy."

Estrogen does a lot more than just give breasts (see my first post), and it takes several months to get the hormones. You could go the "informed consent" method, where you let the therapist know that you know the consequences, and if you find an endo who'll accept that then you'll be given two hormones: an anti-androgen (which kills off testosterone; your body, being male, will prefer T over Estrogen, given a choice, so you have to kill the choice for E to work), and estrogen (pills, shots, or patch, depending on what your endo offers, and your choice).

Once you get on hormones, it takes from 1-4 years to fully develop breasts.

Even with hormones, most MtF's seem to get A cups, a few get B's, a couple have gotten C's, and I've only heard of one who got DD's. So even with hormones, it's unlikely to get D's.

That's just how it is.

+1

And also, I don't see why you wouldn't just get a breast augmentation Cros? If at one point they become too bothersome you can just get them removed easily. Sure it'll cost quite a bit of money, but that seems to be the best option for you when all is said and done.

Quote from: Jenna Marie on May 27, 2013, 11:05:14 AM
(I will say that I was a C-cup within three months on estrogen, before many other irreversible changes set in. But I get the impression I'm an outlier on that one, and I WAS using prescription estrogen - I don't think the herbals do much. Otherwise I will second everyone else that having breasts and living as a man is difficult and complicated; I went full-time earlier than I planned rather than deal with that hassle anymore! I'm also not at all slender, and breasts will look proportionally much larger on a slighter frame.)

(I wear anything between a 38D and 42DDD now, depending on the bra.)

OMG girl! Your chest must've blown up like a pair of balloons!! How old were you? Did it hurt (or itch...) because of the rapid growth?  (All relevant to this thread, because cros seems to be in a hurry)

Beth Andrea : It did kind of feel like the balloon thing at first! Although it was mostly what was already there perking up and standing out for the first couple weeks. I've had some soreness and the occasional really fiendish itching, but nothing excruciating... and I thank goodness I was that lucky.

I was 32 when I started, and I've been on HRT a bit over three years now. My endo and doc just sort of shrugged and said I must have lots of estrogen receptors. I also had very low (below male range) T before I started, which might have something to do with it, I dunno.

Anyway, while it *can* happen, I actually second the recommendation for implants if cros wants something super fast and guaranteed to be the size/shape/placement he likes. Plus the remove-ability is definitely a factor; there's no way natural boobs are going anywhere without moderately invasive and reconstructive surgery.

QuoteI also had very low (below male range) T before I started, which might have something to do with it, I dunno.

Me too, that's why I suspect the herbs helped as much as they did (I'm a B after one year on HRT, btw)

Quote from: Jenna Marie on May 27, 2013, 11:57:32 AM
Anyway, while it *can* happen, I actually second the recommendation for implants if cros wants something super fast and guaranteed to be the size/shape/placement he likes. Plus the remove-ability is definitely a factor; there's no way natural boobs are going anywhere without moderately invasive and reconstructive surgery.

Yeah, if they got to be quite big he'd basically have to get top surgery (what Ftm trans guys get to remove their breasts and create a flat chest) which can be even more expensive than a breast augmentation. Whereas with the augmentation, removing them is a much simpler process.

If this is just a bedroom thing you shouldn't do it because there is a chance (however low because they are herbal) that you will no longer be able to perform in the bedroom. Also, you really can't pinpoint areas you want to develop. If you took regular HRt you could very well end up with breasts, hips, and a big ole butt. Hormonally you would be female. You might also start passing or stop passing as a male. Do you like being male? If so, you should under no circumstances start taking hormones. You are going to give yourself severe gender dysphoria and as one who has suffered her whol life with this condition I can tell you it is no fun at all.

Quote from: cros on May 27, 2013, 06:21:53 AM
I thank you girls.
But on myself, I do desperately desire to have real boobs, or, as I put it, be a man with breasts. I'm a fairly skinny fellow, and would like to remain that way mostly, so I'm interested in growing real breasts, and I was just wondering how many men were actually interested in breasts as opposed to moobs, and how many women were actually interested in breasts on their men opposed to moobs.

or sure man. i would like a nice pair of D cups . but i dont want plastic surgery i want natural enhancement
Can anybody help me

You are unlikely to get any sort of significant growth with herbs.  Phytoestrogens are pretty much worthless.  In fact, we do not allow the sensationalistic herb "breast growing" testimonials on the site.

The only way you are going to get "natural enhancement" is by using those bioidentical hormones that are found in natal women's bodies.  Only very rarely do you find men, with gynecomastia, with breasts that large.

Most skinny/healthy women here in my country have A-cups. And there are some biological men who have C-cups, and they are extremely obese.

barbie~~

I am ready to transition from male to female at 43.  I want to do this properly and in a discrete manner. How can I?
Thank you

Depening which country you are in you probably need to start with a therapist. If you are in a place where informed consent is available you can get onto E and AA within a few sessions. If you are in a place that needs therapist consent you have to convince the therapist tht you require hormonal reassignment, the time for that seems quite variable.

From your previous posts you said that you wish to remain with functional male sex organs. Hormonal reassignment can alter this very quickly or quite slowly depending upon personal physiology. For example I was unable to have a penile erection within days of starting E. I have no chance at all now!! Which is fine by me.

Physical changes can happen quite quickly in body changes, breasts, bum facial changes can be slow or can be rapid and there appers little to predict them in an individual.

If you wish to transition do remember that you will be looking and living as a female, OK the 'degree' of passability can vary as well. 

Your relationship with your wife will change. Unless she is accepting of you, and unless she has lesbian interests she may not accept you as a sexual partner.

Transitioning changes your life fundamentally and is not for the faint hearted. If you are pursuing this for sexual interest reasons, which is fine, you may want to look at alternatives to full hormonal transition.