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What type of Androgyne are you?

Started by Kendall, November 09, 2006, 11:46:04 PM

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Agender (neither) , neutrois, nullgender
Bigender (both separate), multigender, polygender, apogender
Ambigender (both merged), intergender, mixed gender, syngender, gender____, pregender
Fluid (can change), cyclical-gender, circumgender, fluxgender
Third Gender (outside) all gender, exo-gender, extra-gender
I am my own Gender (auto-gender).
I dont want to be boxed in by labels. (anti-onymgender)
No choice at this time, Undecided (????-gender)
None of the above (I will make a post explaining why)

RebeccaFog

Quote from: Thundra on June 23, 2007, 07:47:54 PM
You forgot genderf***.  It is a real, vital movement on the west coast, and is more political than practical. Most of the queer kids here practice it. I know that the name does not fit the guidelines for this forum, but there it is.

God, I wish I were 20 again knowing what I know now.

To the point, however, is it fair to use a political designation in a poll concerning gender identity?
I'm not trying to argue. I'm only asking.  Should identity be politicized?

I am all for the Genderfork movement. Are you a part of it?  Are you one of these 'kids'?  ;)
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Shana A

QuoteTo the point, however, is it fair to use a political designation in a poll concerning gender identity?
I'm not trying to argue. I'm only asking.  Should identity be politicized?

Sure, I can't see any reason why not. Personally, although my gender identity is first and foremost something that comes from the core of my heart/soul, I've read quite a lot of feminist, queer and gender studies and consider my identity (or lack thereof) to be greatly informed by this.

QuoteI am all for the Genderfork movement.

LOL how many tines? ;D

zythyra
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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RebeccaFog

Quote from: zythyra on June 24, 2007, 01:15:18 PM

QuoteI am all for the Genderfork movement.

LOL how many tines? ;D

zythyra


  About a dozen tines. It's a big fork.
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Doc

I recently read a collection of essays and such, GenderQueer. One of the contributors said his gender-identity is 'monster.' I'm down with that. Classical monsters (the sphinx, gryphons, harpies, manticores, etc) are chimeras, whole creatures constructed from parts and aspects of several different animals. 'Monster' shares a Latin root with 'demonstrate' and its original meanings included 'warning' and 'prodigy' and 'miracle.' And, of course, many monsters in film and literature are reduced to violence because they are feared, not because they are fearsome or wicked.
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Laurry

Quote from: Doc on June 24, 2007, 02:03:00 PM
I recently read a collection of essays and such, GenderQueer. One of the contributors said his gender-identity is 'monster.' I'm down with that.

My ex-wife thinks I'm a monster...does that count?

Quote from: RebeccaFog on June 24, 2007, 01:32:06 PM
About a dozen tines. It's a big fork.

Can't get away from the "mine is bigger than yours" guy talk, even here at Susan's.   ::)

Becca, put your fork back in the drawer and stop talking about your silverware...LOL  What's next, a discussion on how much your gravy boat can hold?  :-*

...Laurry
Ya put your right foot in.  You put your right foot out.  You put your right foot in and you shake it all about.  You do the Andro-gyney and you turn yourself around.  That's what it's all about.
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Kendall

Added Androgyne Monster, Androgyne Animal, and Androgyne Furry to the poll. I have seen enough in a spectrum that involves monster (vampires, undead, werewolves, furries, and different animals) to add it to the list and see if anyone identifies as such. Of course it may be more trans species, so the androgyne part would mean that the gender lies still in between, neither, or beyond.

If you identify as any of these new categories you can remove your old vote and revote.
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Pica Pica

i can promise you that i am no werewolf
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no_id

Let's see... Ages slowly... Allergic to the sun and unable to stand heat... Pale skin... Enjoys the taste of blood... Na, I'm simply human.
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Doc

Quote from: Ken/Kendra on June 24, 2007, 07:48:03 PM
Added Androgyne Monster, Androgyne Animal, and Androgyne Furry to the poll. I have seen enough in a spectrum that involves monster (vampires, undead, werewolves, furries, and different animals)

Well, I certainly don't think I'm a vampire, undead anything, or a werewolf. But I do identify with / as a chimera-type classical monster. And also as a chimera as the term is used in science -- it applys to some types of intersex conditions, even. But I am definately human. So I did click 'androgyne monster' but I don't think I am an androgynous monster, I think I'm a human made up of seemingly disparate human parts.

QuoteOf course it may be more trans species, so the androgyne part would mean that the gender lies still in between, neither, or beyond.

Many people who believe that their 'true self' is an animal or a mythical creature (a vampire, an elf, a dragon) or feel that they are a combonation of human and animal/mythical beast traits call themselves 'Otherkin' and believe that their feelings are similar to those of transsexual people. I'd consider these to be two different conditions, though -- seems to me that Underground Panther here is better described as both Otherkin and transgendered.
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Emerald


Lord have mercy... Androgyne Monster? Androgyne Furry? Androgyne Animal?
What comes next? Androgyne Hobbit, Androgyne Insect, Androgyne Alien, and Androgyne Boogieman?

I think we can safely state that psychological Androgynes are highly evolved humans which do not devolve into subhuman critters. Androgynes don't become fantasy creatures or faddish idols any more than Transsexuals become Marilyn Monroe, Sailor Moon, or Jessica Rabbit.

Psychological androgyny is matter of gender identity. Is this a difficult concept?
There are four major transgender groups recognized on susans.org - Masculine(FtM), Feminine(MtF), Crossdresser(CD) and Androgyne. Each of us has some form of gender identity - Male, Female, Both, or Neither. This forum's name is "Androgyne talk". Androgynes don't have a Male or a Female gender identity. Not having a gender identity does not mean Androgynes take on the identity of animals, monsters, or anything else.

No offense to the werewolves, furries, vampires, glam rockers, goths, and all that jazz out there, but none of these things have anything to do with gender.

-Emerald  :icon_mrgreen:
Androgyne.
I am not Trans-masculine, I am not Trans-feminine.
I am not Bigender, Neutrois or Genderqueer.
I am neither Cisgender nor Transgender.
I am of the 'gender' which existed before the creation of the binary genders.
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RebeccaFog

Quote from: Emerald on June 25, 2007, 06:15:56 PM

Lord have mercy... Androgyne Monster? Androgyne Furry? Androgyne Animal?
What comes next? Androgyne Hobbit, Androgyne Insect, Androgyne Alien, and Androgyne Boogieman?

I think we can safely state that psychological Androgynes are highly evolved humans which do not devolve into subhuman critters. Androgynes don't become fantasy creatures or faddish idols any more than Transsexuals become Marilyn Monroe, Sailor Moon, or Jessica Rabbit.

Psychological androgyny is matter of gender identity. Is this a difficult concept?
There are four major transgender groups recognized on susans.org - Masculine(FtM), Feminine(MtF), Crossdresser(CD) and Androgyne. Each of us has some form of gender identity - Male, Female, Both, or Neither. This forum's name is "Androgyne talk". Androgynes don't have a Male or a Female gender identity. Not having a gender identity does not mean Androgynes take on the identity of animals, monsters, or anything else.

No offense to the werewolves, furries, vampires, glam rockers, goths, and all that jazz out there, but none of these things have anything to do with gender.

-Emerald  :icon_mrgreen:


    I agree. I was kind of thinking things were getting off track. It seemed like we were trying to determine the numbers of differing types of androgyne. The other stuff was confusing me.  The animal stuff should count as something besides a gender and maybe be in its' own poll.

    I mean no offense to anyone. It's just that when the poll started, I was hoping to get a good idea of how androgyne-(ism?) works.  I mean if we start showing up at motor vehicle departments asking for animal designations, we will never get treated seriously.  If I'm wrong, just ignore me.  Thank you.
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Shana A

QuoteI recently read a collection of essays and such, GenderQueer. One of the contributors said his gender-identity is 'monster.' I'm down with that.

I read that, it's a good collection of essays.

QuoteI mean if we start showing up at motor vehicle departments asking for animal designations, we will never get treated seriously.

It'd be nice if there was an option to check "other" on official forms.

zythrya
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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Emerald

Quote
Agender (neither) , Neutrois, Nullgender
Bigender (both separate)
Ambigender (both merged), Interdresser, Intergendered,  Mixed Gender, Syngender
Fluid (Circumgender, can change)
Third Gender (Exogender, Extragender, outside all gender)
I am my own Gender (Autogender).
I dont want to be boxed in by labels.
No choice at this time, Undecided
None of the above (I will make a post explaining why)
Androgyne Monster
Androgyne Furry
Androgyne Animal

Whoa, wait a sec... Something odd is going on.

"Circumgender" is not a word.
"Exogender"
"Extragender"
"Interdresser"
"Autogender"
"Syngender"

None of these are real words. Try googling them for yourself.
These 'words' weren't here when this poll was first posted.
Who's making up these terms??? Androgyne Poltergeists?!?!?

-Emerald
Androgyne.
I am not Trans-masculine, I am not Trans-feminine.
I am not Bigender, Neutrois or Genderqueer.
I am neither Cisgender nor Transgender.
I am of the 'gender' which existed before the creation of the binary genders.
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Laurry

Quote from: zythyra on June 25, 2007, 07:52:13 PM
It'd be nice if there was an option to check "other" on official forms.
It sure would.  Funny, we can get official forms in many languages, but they all have a Male OR Female designation, dang it!

Quote from: Emerald on June 25, 2007, 06:15:56 PM
Androgynes don't become fantasy creatures or faddish idols any more than Transsexuals become Marilyn Monroe, Sailor Moon, or Jessica Rabbit.
There goes my reason for moving from Androgyne to Transsexual...and I really really wanted to be Jessica Rabbit.  "I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way."  On second thought, I don't know if I can handle all that body hair...yech!!  I could use some Sailor Moon eyes, tho...hmmm

I do agree that we've wandered off track a little (yes, I'm guilty too), so back to the topic. 

While I chose Ambigendered/Intergendered, I also tend to be a little fluid.  I have my times where I am a lot more feminine than usual, though not a lot where I feel more masculine.  Most of the time I float between 50F50M and 75F25M.  I'm curious how those who identified as Fluid feel...I may be in the wrong category.

.......Laurry
Ya put your right foot in.  You put your right foot out.  You put your right foot in and you shake it all about.  You do the Andro-gyney and you turn yourself around.  That's what it's all about.
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ChildOfTheLight

Quote from: Laurry on June 25, 2007, 09:20:32 PM

While I chose Ambigendered/Intergendered, I also tend to be a little fluid.  I have my times where I am a lot more feminine than usual, though not a lot where I feel more masculine.  Most of the time I float between 50F50M and 75F25M.  I'm curious how those who identified as Fluid feel...I may be in the wrong category.

.......Laurry

I'm one of the two who voted "fluid" so far.  How I feel has more range than what you say.  For me, it probably goes all the way from "essentially male, with slight awareness of femaleness" to "essentially female, with slight awareness of maleness", though I wouldn't try to put numbers on it.

My favorite place to be, though, is "strongly male as well as strongly female."  One of my favorite quotes, though I don't quite embody it or perhaps even identify with it, is something Brian Molko allegedly said to Fred Durst: "I'm more man than you'll ever be and more woman than you'll ever have."  Closer to home, though, my group of friends from high school now considers me both the manliest and the girliest of them. ;D  Back in high school (just a few years ago), I probably would have been considered the least girly and been quite proud of it.  How things change -- but I don't think I've become any less masculine.  Just more feminine.  (And I'm proof that there is a difference.)
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Kendall

#55
QuoteWhile I chose Ambigendered/Intergendered, I also tend to be a little fluid.  I have my times where I am a lot more feminine than usual, though not a lot where I feel more masculine.  Most of the time I float between 50F50M and 75F25M.  I'm curious how those who identified as Fluid feel...I may be in the wrong category.

I am somewhat fluid though it changes very very slow. I identify more with ambigender. Like this year is a more masculine year than the last 2 years. My identity though feel more of a mixture of both masculine and feminine at deep inside, even though it changes.

Quote from: zythyra on June 25, 2007, 07:52:13 PM
Quote
I recently read a collection of essays and such, GenderQueer. One of the contributors said his gender-identity is 'monster.' I'm down with that.

I read that, it's a good collection of essays.

Think I want to read that essay.

KK
Quote from: Emerald on June 25, 2007, 06:15:56 PM

I think we can safely state that psychological Androgynes are highly evolved humans which do not devolve into subhuman critters. Androgynes don't become fantasy creatures or faddish idols any more than Transsexuals become Marilyn Monroe, Sailor Moon, or Jessica Rabbit.

-Emerald  :icon_mrgreen:


Added Highly Evolved Human: Androgyne to the poll.

Interdressing: Check google again, now I know you didnt check.

Others are just standard Prefixes, added to gender. They are not new words, just shorthand for several words.
syn- Indicates that "together", "united", or "alike"
exo- outside, external
extra - outside, beyond
auto- self
circum- around

Same way inter, bi, trans, poly, multi, a, cis, uni, anti, pro, mis, dis, tri, ex, un,  and several others http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefix_%28linguistics%29 means several words, but shortens.
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Doc

 
Quote from: Emerald on June 25, 2007, 06:15:56 PM

Lord have mercy... Androgyne Monster? Androgyne Furry? Androgyne Animal?
What comes next? Androgyne Hobbit, Androgyne Insect, Androgyne Alien, and Androgyne Boogieman?
...
No offense to the werewolves, furries, vampires, glam rockers, goths, and all that jazz out there, but none of these things have anything to do with gender.


Eh. I think that Ken/Kendra's coined term 'androgyne monster' is a poor one, as it implies a desire for non-human status. However, I have explained just what I meant, and remarked that I think being an androgyne and feeling that you are a cat (or whatever) at heart are two separate things.

As for monsters, lets try one more time. The Chimera is a classical monster, the most classical of classical monsters, such that its name is also used to indicate any classical monster.

Quotechi·me·ra  [ki-meer-uh, kahy-]
–noun, plural -ras.
1. (often initial capital letter) a mythological, fire-breathing monster, commonly represented with a lion's head, a goat's body, and a serpent's tail. 
2. any similarly grotesque monster having disparate parts, esp. as depicted in decorative art. 
3. a horrible or unreal creature of the imagination; a vain or idle fancy: He is far different from the chimera your fears have made of him. 
4. Genetics. an organism composed of two or more genetically distinct tissues, as an organism that is partly male and partly female, or an artificially produced individual having tissues of several species. 

My gender, I think, is definition two, with a kindly removal of 'grotesque' which really ought not to be there, as unicorns and gryphons and the like are also classical monsters, and chimeras. My gender is also definition four, in the sense that I think it is written in my DNA to be that way.

I DO NOT think that I am, nor do I want to become, a fire-breathing beast with the head of a lion, the body of a goat, and a tail made out of a snake. Nor does the author of the essay I mentioned.

I am an air-breathing higher primate with the legs and smell of a man, the genitals and size of a woman, the communication-style of a man, the tenderness of a woman, the hobbies and interests of an androgyne, etc. etc. These things are not fluid nor are they merged. They are not at war with each other or separate, either. I am not bigender, my gender doesn't change so I am not fluid, my gendered aspects are not smoothly blended so I am not exactly intergendered either. I am mostly masculine in the way the Chimera is mostly a goat, but the Chimera is not a goat with grafted on parts and I am not really a man with stuck on female parts.

Quote from: Emerald on June 25, 2007, 06:15:56 PM

I think we can safely state that psychological Androgynes are highly evolved humans which do not devolve into subhuman critters.


The most psychologically androgynous people I have ever met are considered to be developmentally disabled. They are asexual and find the very concept of gender incomprehensible and irrelevant. They are certainly not subhuman in the least, but with the notable exception of Temple Grandin, they're not more 'highly evolved' than other people.

And indeed, Ken/Kendra is quite correct -- when you add a recognized prefix or suffix to a known word, the word you have thus created is a 'real' word.
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Pica Pica

I like 'highly evolved' as a tickbox...but I am very sorry that I am not highly evolved. I am evolved enough to be a human. I think my concept of gender is evolved enough to be a young child, and most of my other 'parts' are evolved enough to be a human entering adulthood as slow as possible.
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Kendall

After reading about Otherkin http://kinhost.org/res/Otherfaq.php#1_3 I combined the 3 animal, monster, Furry. Its a new word for me, though I know some that are them.
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Doc

Since I do not identify as Otherkin (which implies a non-human identity) but as fully human but chimerical, I have removed my vote.
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