I just got done measuring my body, I came up with 34 in the chest, 33 in the waist and 37 in the hips.

I've been very self conscious about the size of my chest, thinking I look pretty bulky... but then I did research and found out the size of my chest is within the normal for females and the very low low end for males.  I'm MTF and only JUST started hormones.  Why is it that I see natal females with chests about the size from a side view equal to their arms width and a half, yet I see my side profile and notice my arm's width can be placed twice and then some to equal my chests width... yet I fall in female norms?

People come in all shapes and sizes. There are going to be females that are bigger than you and smaller than you, you aren't big at all so don't fret it honestly.

My chest is 35, waist is 30 and hips are 37, yet I do not see myself as extremely bulky. By the way, yesterday I was driving in a public bus and there as a cis-woman sitting nearby, quite an attractive one. Apart of the fact that she was apparently over 6", she had broader shoulders and hips than me, her feet were definitely in the range of 42+ (they were bigger than my), her palms were maybe even a bit bigger than my. What I wanted to say, there was nothing masculine in her, she looked very feminine, but that was not that "petite, subtle and fragile" feminine look. I believe if valkyries existed, she would have made a perfect example. Or something like Xena, the warrior princess.

Quote from: Sammy on June 26, 2013, 03:34:31 AM
My chest is 35, waist is 30 and hips are 37, yet I do not see myself as extremely bulky. By the way, yesterday I was driving in a public bus and there as a cis-woman sitting nearby, quite an attractive one. Apart of the fact that she was apparently over 6", she had broader shoulders and hips than me, her feet were definitely in the range of 42+ (they were bigger than my), her palms were maybe even a bit bigger than my. What I wanted to say, there was nothing masculine in her, she looked very feminine, but that was not that "petite, subtle and fragile" feminine look. I believe if valkyries existed, she would have made a perfect example. Or something like Xena, the warrior princess.

Yeah, I know there are those kinds of people out there. I had just gone in to Powell, in San Francisco and had seen a lot of girls and almost all of them had very narrow side profiles. I guess I just assumed that was the average.  I'm also curious why it's so hard for me to fit in to things in the chest area when I have an "average" chest . I feel like I'll have to special order anything I want to wear.

Quote from: Sierra Belle on June 26, 2013, 03:40:46 AM
I'm also curious why it's so hard for me to fit in to things in the chest area when I have an "average" chest . I feel like I'll have to special order anything I want to wear.

What size of clothing are you trying on generally? I'm pretty close to your chest size and I usually range from medium-large depending on the brand.

Because lets say, male M size does not equal female M size, plus various manufacturers use different marking, country of production etc. I remember, when I was in the male L size group (now I am strong M, and with some muscle drop I should go to S), and I was in Beijing, I had to buy their XL, XXL shirts, because chinese L size did not fit me at all.

Quote from: EmmaS on June 26, 2013, 03:44:31 AM
What size of clothing are you trying on generally? I'm pretty close to your chest size and I usually range from medium-large depending on the brand.

It was a large, and it still fit tight around my chest. I mean, not TOO tight but it was definitely tight.  Which, Large isn't very common in the shops around here. Medium is the most popular.  I'm fairly certain after my HRT starts kicking in I might actually fit in large quite nicely, I still think it's strange that I'm having such a hard time finding clothes that fit. I've only been on HRT for 3 days, and at that only Anti-Androgens for now.

Quote from: Sammy on June 26, 2013, 03:45:47 AM
Because lets say, male M size does not equal female M size, plus various manufacturers use different marking, country of production etc. I remember, when I was in the male L size group (now I am strong M, and with some muscle drop I should go to S), and I was in Beijing, I had to buy their XL, XXL shirts, because chinese L size did not fit me at all.

I was a male "S" in Europe / the US, which equates to a "M" in Japan and Korea. After losing a bit of weight, I ended up with Japanese / Korean size "S" t-shirts, which meant that shopping in Europe had just gone on hiatus... I still had to buy ladies' size "L" though, due to the muscles in the armpit area (those that give you that trapezoid form as a guy). Queue in HRT and after a few months I'm at a ladies' size "M". At some point my breast growth might push me back to "L", but I'll worry about that when I get there.

Well women's tops are generally tight and form-fitting. You might just not be used to it. They are supposed to hug the body. BTW, never say shirt. Women always say tops. They never say "I went to buy a shirt." It's "I was looking for a new top." It's prolly good to try and get used to it because it will look odd if you always say shirt and never top. And even if it's a tee-shirt it's a tee not a t-shirt.

Quote from: Joanna Dark on June 26, 2013, 09:49:06 PM
Well women's tops are generally tight and form-fitting. You might just not be used to it. They are supposed to hug the body. BTW, never say shirt. Women always say tops. They never say "I went to buy a shirt." It's "I was looking for a new top." It's prolly good to try and get used to it because it will look odd if you always say shirt and never top. And even if it's a tee-shirt it's a tee not a t-shirt.

That's highly dependent on where you're from as I hear shirt being said fairly often.  However, I have noticed women don't really say pants.
Anywho, I don't really think I have much of a muscle tough body, I haven't started E or anything but I'm also very thin and don't really feel I have much muscle mass.  That and I'm only 19 so I think most of those finalising less permanent man traits haven't hit me yet.  I'm 150lbs or less and I'm roughly 6 feet tall.

Baby giraffe...Just like me....and a few others here...
I have almsor the exact same dimensions. 
And I'm considered very petite for 6 feet...
Clothes is not an issue. 

And what Joanna said.   We talk differently about clothes. .
Most men would be confused and think woman's stores
Are mystical places hahaha

At our height.   This js what I think would be the hotness
A pair of dress slacks.  Suit style. .a corset as a top. And a
Suit jacket...and little spikes....
I think that would just scream sex and woman

Quote from: xchristine on June 27, 2013, 01:42:02 AM
Baby giraffe...Just like me....and a few others here...
I have almsor the exact same dimensions. 
And I'm considered very petite for 6 feet...
Clothes is not an issue. 

And what Joanna said.   We talk differently about clothes. .
Most men would be confused and think woman's stores
Are mystical places hahaha

At our height.   This js what I think would be the hotness
A pair of dress slacks.  Suit style. .a corset as a top. And a
Suit jacket...and little spikes....
I think that would just scream sex and woman

Ahh, not exactly my sense of style but I know exactly what you're talkin' about. ;p
I'm more in to the complicated but simple looks. I know how my style is, it's just the issue of being tall, which I do not mind, it's just hard to find things at those proportions.
I just like the nick nacky look, like the girl from bridge to terabythia  movie but a little more subtle and with more neutral colors. Ya know, blacks, brown, green.  Obviously not for professional, there are times and places. I'm not entirely out to be a normal everyday person, I just strive to be myself. I don't really wish to conform to the ins, even if it makes me stand out and maybe more noticeable I just want to express my style. Not to fond of the dress normal to fit in as a TS, no use in hiding who you are in a state of fear.
Doesn't mean I don't have concerns in that regard, though.

Quote from: Joanna Dark on June 26, 2013, 09:49:06 PM
Well women's tops are generally tight and form-fitting. You might just not be used to it. They are supposed to hug the body. BTW, never say shirt. Women always say tops. They never say "I went to buy a shirt." It's "I was looking for a new top." It's prolly good to try and get used to it because it will look odd if you always say shirt and never top. And even if it's a tee-shirt it's a tee not a t-shirt.

I've always preferred wearing tight and form-fitting clothing with 5%+ spandex or skinny fit cut, so 'twas nothing new there. It was simply that there was a real possibility of tearing the size-M tops I tried, prior to HRT reducing the particular muscle group. I actually bought a size M top that didn't fit back then, and can wear it effortlessly these days. 

Ehm... What I bought in Korea and Japan were indeed "t-shirts" in the sense you're using it, i.e. men's clothing. I normally buy blouses these days, as I find few tops to my liking. Over here it would be "t-shirt" for women as well, as "tee" is not a term you hear, but as Sierra said, there are indeed regional differences. Generally I try to use the corresponding terms for the different types of clothing in order to differentiate them. Having pretty much always been a bit of a fashion geek, I don't have too much trouble keeping the terminology apart.

Oh, and very much agree on the pants statement, at least in English. Typically it seems a more granular term is used, similar to when discussing colours (a fun little article on that can be found here: http://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/554-Chasing-Rainbows.html). I would buy straight jeans, skinny jeans, or chinos, but not "pants".

Quote from: Theo on June 27, 2013, 02:29:43 PM
I've always preferred wearing tight and form-fitting clothing with 5%+ spandex or skinny fit cut, so 'twas nothing new there. It was simply that there was a real possibility of tearing the size-M tops I tried, prior to HRT reducing the particular muscle group. I actually bought a size M top that didn't fit back then, and can wear it effortlessly these days. 

Ehm... What I bought in Korea and Japan were indeed "t-shirts" in the sense you're using it, i.e. men's clothing. I normally buy blouses these days, as I find few tops to my liking. Over here it would be "t-shirt" for women as well, as "tee" is not a term you hear, but as Sierra said, there are indeed regional differences. Generally I try to use the corresponding terms for the different types of clothing in order to differentiate them. Having pretty much always been a bit of a fashion geek, I don't have too much trouble keeping the terminology apart.

Oh, and very much agree on the pants statement, at least in English. Typically it seems a more granular term is used, similar to when discussing colours (a fun little article on that can be found here: http://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/554-Chasing-Rainbows.html). I would buy straight jeans, skinny jeans, or chinos, but not "pants".

That's what I mean, it's only across the upper chest too. It just feels so tight. It makes me wonder what I'll need when I grow breasts. :x