if anyone has been to suporns for srs, remember the wacky psycho test? you are supposed to draw a tree, house and person and tell your story.
it always seemed vaguely familar to me until i realised yesterday that i read about this before...in silence of the lambs...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House-Tree-Person_test

tips: if you want to freak your shrink out, draw the tree out of the page, without leaves and amputated branches! a small house without windows or doors...and for the trans part draw a naked man with a castrated bleeding stump....
apparently = crazy psychopathic murderer with asphergers and castration anxiety 

Quote from: milktea on June 22, 2013, 02:31:08 AM
tips: if you want to freak your shrink out, draw the tree out of the page, without leaves and amputated branches! a small house without windows or doors...and for the trans part draw a naked man with a castrated bleeding stump....
apparently = crazy psychopathic murderer with asphergers and castration anxiety 

LOL 

When I was a child I was obsessed with drawing a tree with a big hole, like where a large branch fell off left a round-ish hole in it and a house with a Christmas tree in the window.  Otherwise my drawing was idyllic and normal.  Depressed was the hole, not sure about the Christmas tree...

The Wiki article was mildly triggering, as I mentally drew the tree, house, and person (THP), and read the suggested questions. Obviously I still have some issues somewhere.

I don't think I'd play games with any SRS surgeon who asks for such a test.

I had to take a Rorschach test as part of the mental diagnosis screening (to get medical help, you need to have an official diagnosis of GID, they make you take lots and lots of tests to rule out anything else causing your problems). It was kind of creepy because while I found analyzing the images fun, it felt very strange to know that psychologists would come to some sort of conclusion from what I said, like being given marks on what shapes one can see in the clouds.

I did a similar test actually, but I was only asked to draw a person. I did, but the psychologist said my picture wasn't good enough to analyze I thought it was a little mean. I'm no artist, but I did try.

I also had to do the Rorschach test. It is a strange test... I laughed at one point as it was so unusual, and the psychiatrist started making lots of notes.

Seriously??  They still do Rorschach tests?  I thought for sure they had been debunked.  So much opportunity for projection with that silly test.

Quote from: Jen on July 01, 2013, 09:45:58 PM
Seriously??  They still do Rorschach tests?  I thought for sure they had been debunked.  So much opportunity for projection with that silly test.

Agreed! I am pretty sure they are neither reliable nor valid nor anything else tests are supposed to be. ONe more meaningless hoop to jump, I suppose.

--Jay

there are books on all sorts of psycho tests you can read up on...the thing is you don't really need a degree in psychology to understand them...well at least most of the markers.
so with a bit of reading upfront, these tests won't work on you. like my example here, if i know what they are looking for i can project all kinds of profiles!

apparently, according to a psychology phd student i know who was certified this year (and whose research i assisted by undergoing a rorschach inventory, among other things), they have been shown to be just as effective at displaying signs of mental illness as empirical psychometric measures.

i thought for sure it had been debunked, but apparently it's as alive as ever. who knew.

(it should also be noted that the modern test uses a different, less projective system of measurement called the exner comprehensive system, which is considered to be a large improvement over the prior system, that had several issues with tester projection.)

I'd personally be wary of any medical professional that bases the decision to perform or not perform SRS based on a drawing (partially or not). I mean this is why we go thru therapy, have letters of recommendation, and all that fun stuff. Draw a picture... ummm... maybe when I was 5?

Quote from: transtrender on July 06, 2013, 10:21:36 AM
apparently, according to a psychology phd student i know who was certified this year (and whose research i assisted by undergoing a rorschach inventory, among other things), they have been shown to be just as effective at displaying signs of mental illness as empirical psychometric measures.

i thought for sure it had been debunked, but apparently it's as alive as ever. who knew.

(it should also be noted that the modern test uses a different, less projective system of measurement called the exner comprehensive system, which is considered to be a large improvement over the prior system, that had several issues with tester projection.)

Well maybe your key words here are "just as (effective)". My understanding is that there are NO effective (reliable and valid) tests for mental illness including the MMPI.  Its very probably a physiological marker anyway, since it is pretty much accepted now that mental illness is a physical illness of the brain (or possible something else). Since transgender is not an illness but more likely a normal variant of what would be a gender spectrum, its not likely there's a projective test for this either. Really sad that they are still using such archaic measures for a such a thing, esp for something like SRS.

--Jay

That is so bizarre...
The psychiatrists I have seen which is two to date..
Non have ever made me do gender tests...
They just spoke to me at length about my earlist memories
Puberyty and when i started acting out on gid

Of course each time I had seen one I had already been on hrt
For some time.

Maybe its regional ...or if its not totally evident..
Which I'm sure it is with me