Quote from: Keaira on July 02, 2013, 02:45:15 PM
I do think that the extra level of understanding is one of the best things between us. it's a great foundation to start building a meaningful relationship on.

Although, as we have discussed on several occasions, this isn't always the case. Because not every trans person views their transition issues the same way. There's some trans men that even I, another trans man, would butt heads with til the day one of us dies lol. And there are some trans women who I just cannot see eye to eye with either. I think the benefits of extra understanding only come into play when you have two people who think along the same lines as it is. Then it's great. But if it's not, I can see two trans people butting heads and causing each other even more pain.

Quote from: so over you on July 02, 2013, 03:43:37 PM
I don't like when terms like ftm and mtf are used like this... transition status is such a personal thing...

Well, this is a site for discussing the in's and out's of life as a trans person. If we didn't discuss trans topics this place would be barren except for the occasional tumbleweed.

Quote from: Darrin Scott on July 01, 2013, 05:30:20 PM
Not that I mind or anything, but these threads seem to pop up a lot for some reason.

I could be wrong, but I think it likely has to do with people trying to determine if the other side understands them or not. Is there symmetry in our experiences? Do they understand what we're going through, or is there a feeling of "how could you not want to be ___!?! I would kill to be ___!"? Thankfully, it seems like that understanding is there, going by some of the responses. I, too, am feeling some warm fuzzies here. ^_^

Quote from: Prof HB on July 02, 2013, 03:29:08 PM
Although, as we have discussed on several occasions, this isn't always the case. Because not every trans person views their transition issues the same way. There's some trans men that even I, another trans man, would butt heads with til the day one of us dies lol. And there are some trans women who I just cannot see eye to eye with either. I think the benefits of extra understanding only come into play when you have two people who think along the same lines as it is. Then it's great. But if it's not, I can see two trans people butting heads and causing each other even more pain.

True. Azzie and I have butted heads before.

Quote from: Sammy on July 01, 2013, 02:16:28 AM
This one is very sweet and cute

This is so sweet, I'm basically full of fluff and envy.

As for Mtfs I have a lot of respect for them, even if we don't get along. On another note when I am attracted to females I am much more prone to serious stomach butterflies from a confident mtf lady.

In my community there is a lot of mutual support among trans men and trans women.  I think we just feel that there is safety in numbers and as our community is so small locally there is no reason not to offer support and friendship.  There are many trans men and trans women committed relationships including my own.  My boyfriend is trans male along with the majority of our close friends.  I do think this does create a bond among us due to having an understanding of what we have/do go through mentally on this journey.

I see trans women as fellow human beings. I haven't had the chance to meet many other trans people of any type. I understand struggling with being read as the right gender or being treated as the opposite gender and on that front I relate to them better than say cis men, and hardly related to most cis women I meet in most regards.

Quote from: Nygeel on July 01, 2013, 08:59:37 PM
Trans women are women, my feelings for trans women in general are the same as my feelings towards women in general. Some are cool, some are crummy, some are okay.

This.

A friend of mine in DC suggested we should cross train, i.e.girls teach the guys stuff and vice versa some of the things we were never taught because of our birth gender. He was of course, suggesting this as I showed him how to attach the different accessories to his rotary sander and showed him how to assemble one of those big toolboxes on wheels. He had it in his garage, still boxed for over a year because he had no idea how to assemble it. No one had shown him anything mechanical in his life.

He's the 3rd ftm I've met in person and I have a lot of respect for him. And in general, I've not met a guy I didnt like.

I like transwomen that like me.

I also hate emoticons and exclamation points, but it's okay if they use them- but not all the time. They're no substitute for words and an impressive vocabulary is a big plus. Nerdy girls ++

Also, I get along with most transwomen (or women in general) as long as they dont assume that I must be more in touch with women's issues, more sensitive than a cismale, more understanding, etc, etc.

Quote from: Jamison on July 10, 2013, 01:41:11 AM
I like transwomen that like me.

I also hate emoticons and exclamation points, but it's okay if they use them- but not all the time. They're no substitute for words and an impressive vocabulary is a big plus. Nerdy girls ++

Also, I get along with most transwomen (or women in general) as long as they dont assume that I must be more in touch with women's issues, more sensitive than a cismale, more understanding, etc, etc.

No, we know you can be as diverse as the Cis male population. Don't think I haven't seen the guys that think that sagging their pants and wearing their baseball caps sideways makes them look like the bee's knee's. Not a good look on ANY guy. 

You know I kinda like the idea of a ftm coaching me and vica versa..
After all, we both have been painfully aware of the differences in our instincts and expected social cues of our birth gender, right?
But yeah I was cautious of the 'why on earth would you give up being a guy' line of thinking.  But what I get from this is we both understand the answer... gender dysphoria.   

That said, I am sooo not a girly girl. 

Well...I know I would NOT be good at coaching anyone on female socialization even though I was born female. Lol. Just the other day, my grandma and her friends were going to go out to buy clothes and were calling these places to see when they were open. I looked at them and very innocently asked "Why are you buying clothes?" They look at me like I was stupid and said "...for fun?" My brother scoffed and rolled his eyes at me lol.

It's all subtle stuff. I never picked up on anything girl-related, other than maybe some voice inflections. I failed big time at the social cues and everyone knew it.

Quote from: Ketchup Packet on July 11, 2013, 03:28:45 PM
Well...I know I would NOT be good at coaching anyone on female socialization even though I was born female. Lol. Just the other day, my grandma and her friends were going to go out to buy clothes and were calling these places to see when they were open. I looked at them and very innocently asked "Why are you buying clothes?" They look at me like I was stupid and said "...for fun?" My brother scoffed and rolled his eyes at me lol.

It's all subtle stuff. I never picked up on anything girl-related, other than maybe some voice inflections. I failed big time at the social cues and everyone knew it.

I feel exactly the same way.  I never really realised I was female except for one year when I was 11/12, and I really didn't understand it then.  Everything was just a million times more awkward, it was so obvious I was trying hard but way off the mark.

I wouldn't be good either. Why would I want to teach someone to be a male when I got beat up alot for not being able to be one growing up? that's just asking to be beat up. But, I did teach Caleb how to tie a tie. And showed my friend how to assemble his toolbox, so I guess there's some elementary stuff we can share with one another. Everyone is different.

I feel the same toward them as I feel for everyone else. Most MTF ladies I know are really, really nice people, very cheerful and upbeat and usually quite positive. I have a lot of MTF friends and they're all awesomeeee.

Oh you guys....   

Quote from: Keaira on July 10, 2013, 02:25:45 AM
Don't think I haven't seen the guys that think that sagging their pants and wearing their baseball caps sideways makes them look like the bee's knee's. Not a good look on ANY guy. 

Idk, it sounds kind of sexy.

Quote from: ~RoadToTrista~ on July 12, 2013, 07:59:28 PM
Idk, it sounds kind of sexy.

Okay, well, if this your thing, more power to you.

Nevermind, you've now made things very unsexy for me Keaira. >.<