Wow Stavraki, thanks for sharing all the pictures and information!

Quote from: LearnedHand on July 07, 2013, 07:40:34 AM
Wow Stavraki, thanks for sharing all the pictures and information!

anytime - love gym talk as well as tlc talk.....great to meet u

Quote from: aleon515 on July 05, 2013, 03:23:47 PM
I don't know if that's true. I am passing about 15% of the time and sure don't have that shape. Thing is I know guys who have been on T for years and years and still have big hips and so on. They pass 100% of the time. Your shape is one thing out of thousands of factors. Gendering is done subconsciously imo and based on lots of different things.

--Jay

^ This

Guys come in all shapes and sizes and certainly there's a large percentage of them who do not have the perfect V shape with broad shoulders. Actually I would even go so far as to say that the majority do not and it's the minority of men who have that "perfect bod".

I should have titled the thread "working towards a V shape to pass better?" or something so it was not implied that you had to have a V shape to pass

Or "Do you have/want a V shape?"

Quote from: spacerace on July 07, 2013, 02:12:35 PM
I should have titled the thread "working towards a V shape to pass better?" or something so it was not implied that you had to have a V shape to pass

Well, with, "One thing the author really harps on is the importance of the V shape to passing", it's kind of easy to think that's what was implied. You don't have to have the V shape to pass. If you want to try to get the V shape yourself, that's a different story.

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on July 07, 2013, 02:17:57 PM
Or "Do you have/want a V shape?"

This would have been best.

I have 20/20 hindsight! 

Quote from: insideontheoutside on July 07, 2013, 02:24:39 PM
Well, with, "One thing the author really harps on is the importance of the V shape to passing", it's kind of easy to think that's what was implied. You don't have to have the V shape to pass. If you want to try to get the V shape yourself, that's a different story.

I read the article as saying that to be an "attractive" guy you need to have the V shape, but I might be wrong, I was tired and reading it half heartedly.  I also don't think that the V shape is necessary to be "attractive", just to be what's stereotypically attractive.

I think having a V shape is pretty important to being able to pass, I've seen some pictures of trans men who would otherwise pass if it wasn't for the V shape wondering why they don't pass.  Lets be honest, people generally see, and judge you, as a whole before seeing your facial features up close, unless you have a thick, dark beard or something.