Birth of a Transsexual Separatist and then Born Again

http://www.transadvocate.com/birth-of-a-transsexual-separatist.htm
7/5/13
Dana Taylor

"I don't think there is anything that I could say that would repair the damage I have caused to my trans* brothers and sisters but I do deeply regret what I did and sincerely apologize for it. If there was a way I could undo what I did, I would do it. Our community is one of the most vulnerable and abused minorities that exists and I played a part in the abuse. I hate myself for what I did.

If you were a victim of my abuse, I beg you to call me out in the comment section of this article. It is important to let others know how this kind of abuse affects others in our community. Who knows, maybe some of those who are now in the position I was in can see that it is a real problem."

Nice, ni9ce, nice...very humanist piece of apologetic article...the lessons is not to turn yourself into a hate monger


Yet, at a fundamental level a big difference exists between cross dressers, female impersonators, etc and people with GID, regardless whether or not you GID manifest as: androgynous, gender fluid, pan gender, bi gender, or whether or not you are post op, pre-op, partial op, choice-not to be op, or pre-transition, post-transition, partial transition, choice-not to transition etc...

We (the GID) folks are fundamentally different than the cis- homosexuals , asexuals, pan sexuals, bisexuals, etc.


What we all have in common is that we are persecuted, discriminated, and abused for what we are, and so as minority it behoove us to be united

I always wondered why it seems successful post transition transsexuals eventually stop posting in Susan's? Perhaps they adopt so well to their new lives and gender role that they do not feel like a trans minority, and they just move on with their lives?

The author, Dana Lane Taylor, was a former member here at Susan's. I applaud her process of personal growth and coming to a deeper understanding.

Shana

Quote from: Shana A on July 19, 2013, 05:05:31 PM
The author, Dana Lane Taylor, was a former member here at Susan's. I applaud her process of personal growth and coming to a deeper understanding.

Shana

Well Shana,

If you allow me to ask you. In your opinion why do people like Dana who have so much to contribute live the forum?

She hasn't left, she was here in April.

I too lack the courage. I may very well pass completely after my second year of HRT but I may not. i'm not sure I'll have the courage to de-transition but I think I won't. I love being a woman too much, even though i know in my heart it is a lie.

Quote from: fatty on July 19, 2013, 06:25:28 PM
I love being a woman too much, even though i know in my heart it is a lie.

How can it be a lie? If you love being a woman, than that is the way you are meant to live, right? It means that your identity is female. Doesn't that mean you're not lying, but instead helping people see the real you?

Quote from: suzifrommd on July 19, 2013, 06:31:35 PM
How can it be a lie? If you love being a woman, than that is the way you are meant to live, right? It means that your identity is female. Doesn't that mean you're not lying, but instead helping people see the real you?

I believe I have many womanly traits and I'm a very womanish man. I have the option to live as a woman. And I'm taking it. Any sane person would, as you know nature has not mapped out a kind course for the poor old male.

This does not mean I am a woman.

Quote from: fatty on July 19, 2013, 06:44:03 PM
This does not mean I am a woman.

I really understand this, better than you can imagine.

Oddly, I feel the same - that wanting to be a woman and living full time doesn't  mean I'm a woman. Gender is much more complicated than just having a transgender brain.

But I still don't consider it lying when I present the way I want to be gendered. Instead I'm helping people gender me the way I want to be seen.

And for myself, even though I don't consider myself a woman, I enjoy being seen as one, I love when my body parts begin to look more like a woman's parts and hate when they continue to look like a man's parts, and I'm 100% comfortable playing a female role.

These facts tell me that I am "meant" to live as a woman, that I'm truly male-to-female transgendered.

Quote from: peky on July 19, 2013, 05:32:34 PM
Well Shana,

If you allow me to ask you. In your opinion why do people like Dana who have so much to contribute live the forum?

I really can't speak for anyone else. There are plenty of posts on our forum of people who have left, and I read what they said while here and respect their choices. Some were/are dear friends, and I miss them. I've been at Susan's for a long time, my life has changed considerably during that time, in many ways that I couldn't have imagined. I don't feel the same need for support that I felt when I arrived, however I'm very committed to helping others on similar journeys. That's why I stay. So I guess I didn't really answer your question, except to answer a different one 

Shana

Quote from: Dana Lane TaylorI don't think there is anything that I could say that would repair the damage I have caused to my trans* brothers and sisters but I do deeply regret what I did and sincerely apologize for it. If there was a way I could undo what I did, I would do it. Our community is one of the most vulnerable and abused minorities that exists and I played a part in the abuse. I hate myself for what I did.

I, for one, am willing to forgive, but perhaps not forget.  Those who forget the past are doomed to re-live it.

I live the "political activism" to the "political-animal types"

As a woman of science I stay because I owe to myself to support in which ever way I can to the people coming behind. I tried to bring my expertise to bear in topics related to the biology of GID. In addition, even from the most humble posting I never cease to learn something; Susan's forum keeps enriching my life.

I ask myself every day before I go to bed: "What did I did today that made a positive impact in somebody else life?"
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Quote from: peky on July 19, 2013, 06:09:20 AM
I always wondered why it seems successful post transition transsexuals eventually stop posting in Susan's? Perhaps they adopt so well to their new lives and gender role that they do not feel like a trans minority, and they just move on with their lives?

Well I think by the time you get thru SRS, you have prolly spent a lot of time in trans circles and most likely just need a break. It can be pretty fatiguing. I just want to be normal. It's all I ever wanted.

Here is beautiful article about the "meanderings of Samina Motlekar"...Just to show you that even a troll can lead you to green pastures ...LOL

http://www.viewpointonline.net/meanderings-of-a-female-atheist-muslim-indian-samina-motlekar.html

Enjoy, Ladies

Quote from: peky on July 20, 2013, 02:18:17 PM
I ask myself every day before I go to bed: "What did I did today that made a positive impact in somebody else life?"
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I love that! What more could any of us aspire to do each day?

Shana

Quote from: Shana A on July 20, 2013, 07:42:52 PM
I love that! What more could any of us aspire to do each day?

Shana

Thank you! 

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Quote from: fatty on July 19, 2013, 06:25:28 PM
I too lack the courage. I may very well pass completely after my second year of HRT but I may not. i'm not sure I'll have the courage to de-transition but I think I won't. I love being a woman too much, even though i know in my heart it is a lie.

Is this directed at me? If so, I have to say that I never liked the word "passing" as it usually implies sex stereotypes. A woman is a woman is a woman. I have enough testosterone damage to my face that it is undeniable that I was born in a male body. That doesn't make me less of a woman, however. I think setting expectations for trans women to need to "pass" in appearance puts undue pressure on those who can't "pass". It may cause some to not transition or worse.

Quote from: Dana Lane on July 23, 2013, 08:03:33 AM
Is this directed at me?

Welcome back, Dana Lane,

The member who you quoted is currently banned, we've just edited their above post.

Shana

Quote from: Dana Lane on July 23, 2013, 08:03:33 AM
Is this directed at me? If so, I have to say that I never liked the word "passing" as it usually implies sex stereotypes. A woman is a woman is a woman. I have enough testosterone damage to my face that it is undeniable that I was born in a male body. That doesn't make me less of a woman, however. I think setting expectations for trans women to need to "pass" in appearance puts undue pressure on those who can't "pass". It may cause some to not transition or worse.

True that!