It's always complicated when it come to girls,all girls i was with we still together at the maximum 4 months and things start become wierd,but this girl is different she's the only one who didn't ask why i dress like that she didnt even talk to subjects like that and thats cool cause every girl i knew in my life the first thing she say r u a lesbian?-.-' 
i really start to lik her,she call me eeryday and ask about me i mean as a friend nothing romantic or something its just like any normal friends till last night she was so tired and she ask me to take her home with my car cause she so tired to wait 4 a taxi to come i did and thing was normal and cool we said funny stuffs and she was touch my shoulder when we were laughing u know idk if she do that to take my attention or i just read things wrong i really dont know i like her sh's so nice but i can't tell her everygirl i told that b4 she think i'm wierd and she be away from me i dont wanna loose her cause its not a normal thing here to b gay/tras as u know so what u suggest me to do guys? how i know if she really like me or she just act as any normal friend any sigs that i can know a girl like me?

Honestly? This is just one of those awkward things every man goes through when he's with a girl he thinks is nice and attractive. The best way to know is to ask her. There really aren't any fool proof signs. If you're not willing to ask her because you want to enjoy a friendship with her, then let it rest. If you're afraid of asking her, then let that be your guide. Every guy deals with insecurity and fear of rejection from someone they like. It's something we have to grow through and mature over.

Pretty much what randomroads said. Unfortunately, there's no magic button we can press to tell us if somebody has feelings for us or not, that'd be super cool though.

Maybe try not to focus so much on it? Just enjoy spending time with her and the little things she does like touching your shoulder, reciprocate them if you and her feel comfortable with it and let things play out however they will. If she has feelings for you, they'll be more obvious or she'll tell you with time. Just takes some patience, but don't stress yourself. 

Don't you live in one of those countries where being gay or trans can easily get you killed?

Quote from: ~RoadToTrista~ on July 21, 2013, 01:56:22 AM
Don't you live in one of those countries where being gay or trans can easily get you killed?

^This.

If so you're playing with fire. If I remember correctly this girl doesn't know, does she?

Get your life together and prepare to get out of that Country. I wouldn't tell anyone my plans. I would save my money and research where I could go that would be safe for LGBT people, has a decent economy, and wouldn't be too hard to get citizenship in.

I understand you're lonely right now and you deal with a lot of discrimination. That's still no reason to put yourself in jeopardy. Seek a better life and get the hell out of there. Yes, it will be scary but I can't imagine it being any more scary than living where you do now. You'll never be able to have the life you want there and I think you would flourish in an area where you can be yourself without constant fear.

I may be a jerk for suggesting this, but could you use punctuation in your posts? I really have issues reading and trying to understand you at times. I'm sorry :<

As for ontopicness. I don't think if it is that easy for someone to just leave a country. Especially if that country is not part of the EU (not sure where the OP lives, though). And leaving everything like friends and family behind as well as finding a new house and job in a foreign country is not an easy feat. Yes, it would clearly be the best solution. But it will require a lot of preparation.

That girls does sound like a lovely person, but as the others suggested, please be careful. If it is frowned upton to be gay or lesbian, then her finding out you are 'posing as a guy' (as they will maybe see it, we all know you are not posing to be a guy because you ARE a guy) might have severe consequences.

As for ontopicness. I don't think if it is that easy for someone to just leave a country. Especially if that country is not part of the EU (not sure where the OP lives, though). And leaving everything like friends and family behind as well as finding a new house and job in a foreign country is not an easy feat. Yes, it would clearly be the best solution. But it will require a lot of preparation.
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its not easy just to leave a country to another to never go back (which people who trandition dont always do). First of all theres all the practical thing, having the money and finding a place where you can have a job so you dont end up as the local begger living on the street. It just not something to get, for some more easy than other.

Besides that the emotional part is as rough.
I am currently in the situation of leaving my country, I Finally got out of the wellfare system and to join an education where I will get the change to get work and studies in countrys in some months to years in the future somwhere with better transrights, But im still deeply sad and scared of the thought of leaving everyone behind for something unknown, somewhere unknown. I love my country in most aspects, I like having my cultures, I like talking my languarge, I just dont feel I got the rights I deserve here, and my country arnt even that bad compared to many where LGBT people have no rights at all, Still I get the comment all the time from people I chat with if I complain about the rights transgenders got, "just leave your country" it really not Just something you do to say goodbye to your famely, hometown and every culture you had to join another is very difficult, Even some of my gay/trans friends still go back to Isreal or Iran to visit famely and so once in a while.
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To the Op,
I think just take it easy, try noticing the small details, usunally if people get in love with someone they try to touch them in all kind of random ways or get in conversations in all randoms ways, meet up with them all kind of random ways, like she text you all the time, go to something you like even when she hate it and who is kinda far away or complicated for her to get to.

also notice her eye contact. eyes usunally say alot about attraction. if it very light or if your disgusteed by something the purpil?? (not sure if its the right word) the smaller, and if its dark or your attacked to something/someone then they get bigger.

General try look up on body languarge and expression it might be abit difficult to read out her signals but you can study into it, find videos books or articles about the topic. Just remember it also depend from each person and the culture and also abit on the personalety.

Quote from: Natkat on July 21, 2013, 05:26:16 PM
I think just take it easy, try noticing the small details, usunally if people get in love with someone they try to touch them in all kind of random ways or get in conversations in all randoms ways, meet up with them all kind of random ways, like she text you all the time, go to something you like even when she hate it and who is kinda far away or complicated for her to get to.

also notice her eye contact. eyes usunally say alot about attraction. if it very light or if your disgusteed by something the purpil?? (not sure if its the right word) the smaller, and if its dark or your attacked to something/someone then they get bigger.

"purpil" It's called the pupil and is the dark center of the eye ball. And you're right about it's reactions. So, OP, you should see if her pupils are dilated ("big") in average light. Also it can be really hard to tell if she has brown eyes, since they're already dark.
My girlfriend acted like she didn't like me verbally but always wanted to talk about cool things or do something fun. But she was never touchy and still isn't when in public. When we're alone though she touches me a lot.
But if you could  get in serious trouble for liking or dating a woman in your area I'd say let it be. Even if she doesn't care you could endanger her life too.

Quote from: Natkat on July 21, 2013, 05:26:16 PM
As for ontopicness. I don't think if it is that easy for someone to just leave a country. Especially if that country is not part of the EU (not sure where the OP lives, though). And leaving everything like friends and family behind as well as finding a new house and job in a foreign country is not an easy feat. Yes, it would clearly be the best solution. But it will require a lot of preparation.

Nobody said it would be easy. What is easier, living in an area where they stone, behead, hang, or beat people like us to death, and having no chance at transition/happiness OR taking a chance to make a new life elsewhere? Easy? No. Doable with proper planning? Yes.

ok i know a lot of u think i'm a big fool , while i need to focus about having money to travel and transition i talk about womens,but we still humn beings in need to be loved .who don't dream about a girlfriend or a wife and a sweet home who dont dream to find someone to spend his life with ,maybe the time is not good but who know whats gonna happen i mean the chances 4 me to travel now is 0% but i have a girl a nice girl love me maybe as a friend or more idk and she is so open mindd so why to not take a chance i mean even if nothing happen in my futur about transition at last i will have her near even as a friend i hpe to be more than friends but yea i hope u understand me guys i just try to be a little happy and feel alive i need to breath i really feel like an animal no rights nothing ..

Quote from: jossef-ftm on July 22, 2013, 11:09:52 PM
ok i know a lot of u think i'm a big fool

Nobody thinks you're a fool. Everyone is just worried about your well being.

Not only could there be consequences for him, but there could potentially be consequences for the girl as well. Maybe no one will believe her if she said she never knew he was born female, and she could be punished too when she didn't know what she was getting into

Quote from: Simon on July 22, 2013, 10:44:49 PM
Nobody said it would be easy. What is easier, living in an area where they stone, behead, hang, or beat people like us to death, and having no chance at transition/happiness OR taking a chance to make a new life elsewhere? Easy? No. Doable with proper planning? Yes.

First gonna say for not everyone its "doable" it depend on your situation what is posible or not and how easy or hard it, for some it takes 2 years for some 50 to get the chance in transition.

I just don't think you understand the mindset.
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If you live in a area where its dangerous or bad threatment your first thought isn't moving away somewhere forever.
First you have to realise that its bad for you. Many people do to a degree but first really realise there life when they see it in other perspective. exemple, when I where younger I didnt questionate the fact that my country force transgender to be sterilized to change there gendermark it was just how it was and probably as it was suposed to be, and first after readning that not all countrys did force transgender to be sterilized I started to wonder why this where even the caise in my area and got critical, I started to put things in another perspective, from a point of "this is how life is" it got in a "this is how it is here, but its not the same everywhere.

So then theres this love/hate, between everything you love and everything you hate who mixed together.
in one point I had all the hate, I had less options freedom and safety in what I could get somewhere ells,
on the other hand going there would mean leaving behind everything, friend famely, culture, also small things we usunally dont think about in some caises maybe also freedom I been used to which I dont have in another country, ex if I left I may not be able to drink alcohol like I used to do.

theres also alot on concern; what is going to happent to you if you leave? as said you really want to make sure your not going to just be a begger and be sended home.
you may also be concerned of the people your with; if you got famely in your country or close reletives, the reason why I been so slow in wanting to leave is also because my mother been ill and I had alot of people in the transcomunety I been closed to and helped out. I been concerned if I went away what would happent to them or my mother, if they will be okay if im not there, responsible and a sort of guilt.

all this is in the mind before or when you think of moving away, When you then move foward in the dirrection then usunally it a procces who takes time, and by that time you have to focus on the small things who makes you happy for the moment, you cant really only focus on going alone, then you go insane.

Quote from: Natkat on July 24, 2013, 08:19:21 PM
First gonna say for not everyone its "doable" it depend on your situation what is posible or not and how easy or hard it, for some it takes 2 years for some 50 to get the chance in transition.

I just don't think you understand the mindset.
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If you live in a area where its dangerous or bad threatment your first thought isn't moving away somewhere forever.
First you have to realise that its bad for you. Many people do to a degree but first really realise there life when they see it in other perspective. exemple, when I where younger I didnt questionate the fact that my country force transgender to be sterilized to change there gendermark it was just how it was and probably as it was suposed to be, and first after readning that not all countrys did force transgender to be sterilized I started to wonder why this where even the caise in my area and got critical, I started to put things in another perspective, from a point of "this is how life is" it got in a "this is how it is here, but its not the same everywhere.

So then theres this love/hate, between everything you love and everything you hate who mixed together.
in one point I had all the hate, I had less options freedom and safety in what I could get somewhere ells,
on the other hand going there would mean leaving behind everything, friend famely, culture, also small things we usunally dont think about in some caises maybe also freedom I been used to which I dont have in another country, ex if I left I may not be able to drink alcohol like I used to do.

theres also alot on concern; what is going to happent to you if you leave? as said you really want to make sure your not going to just be a begger and be sended home.
you may also be concerned of the people your with; if you got famely in your country or close reletives, the reason why I been so slow in wanting to leave is also because my mother been ill and I had alot of people in the transcomunety I been closed to and helped out. I been concerned if I went away what would happent to them or my mother, if they will be okay if im not there, responsible and a sort of guilt.

all this is in the mind before or when you think of moving away, When you then move foward in the dirrection then usunally it a procces who takes time, and by that time you have to focus on the small things who makes you happy for the moment, you cant really only focus on going alone, then you go insane.

Theres this movie "not without my daughter" about an amarican woman who get trapped in iran and try to escape.
its a pretty brutal movie but I belive some of the things can be related to.
Spoiler:
One of my scenes is when a guy try to help her out. there in a garden and he point out the beuti of it, In the movie Iran is showed as a very horrible place almost everywhere, so this scene show her abit peace for a short moment. I belive we like to see things black and white but general its not like that, even what we usunally think as horrible countrys are also the country we like and miss.
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btw sorry of getting all offtopic..