I think the pressure society puts on women to look like a certain unattainable ideal is kind of disgusting, but I also think women should be allowed to look and act however they please (for the most part) and shouldn't feel ashamed about it.

Quote from: Heather on August 16, 2013, 12:55:55 AM
I think they are looking this way because their transition is already finished. But also another reason I don't like the fact that its over sexualizes trans women. So cis people see this and think were all in this because it's a choice and this is just about sex. So it makes it harder on the rest of us to be taken seriously. I'm not in this for sex or to be somebodys object I am a woman and I want to be taken seriously.

I support this position fully. The unfortunate truth is that for many, if not most people who do not have first hand knowledge of the subject, any  image they might have of trans women is heavily influenced by pictures such as those published here ie. of hyper sexualized woman, reinforced by the fact that there is a lot of trans involvement in the sex industry, at least here in France. To answer the OP's question, they get something like these sort of bodies, which BTW have almost certainly been photo-shopped, with BA surgery, silicone injections,butt implants,  removing lower ribs and lots of other cool stuff like that. 

Regarding this subject , one of my employers biggest concerns when I came out was how I would dress for work. Based on the association "trans = sex industry", they had a real fear I would show up in over sexualized attire and weren't reassured on the subject until I showed them photos.

I laughed it off at the time as I dress in a very classic manner like just about any other woman my age but such images really don't make life any easier for those of us who are just trying to get on with life.
Hugs
Donna

What is wrong with the first two women? Or for that the first three women? Discuss. Maybe the fourth one is a lil exteme but it is her body. I think all women are beautiful. BTW, I really don't think any trans woman has any obligation whatsoever do any other trans woman. It is their body. Why can't they control it? Myself, my body.

Also, not everyone is lucky to be able to get good jobs. Some trans woman, like myself, transition a lot younger and don't have the resources others have and have to turn to the sex industry. Some can't wait because their dysphoria is so severe they have to transition a lot younger then is the norm, which is 46, because if they don't they will die. Therefore, they can't get good jobs because of how society views trans woman. These women are trans women and they deserve our support not scorn, not ridicule. We do not know their life story. It is unfair to judge.

I really like you Donna (and generally really repsect your opinions. ALOT) but I have to disagree with you on this point. In any event, I LOVE FRANCE! You're so lucky to live there.

Quote from: Joanna Dark on August 16, 2013, 03:02:14 AM
What is wrong with the first two women? Or for that the first three women? Discuss. Maybe the fourth one is a lil exteme but it is her body. I think all women are beautiful. BTW, I really don't think any trans woman has any obligation whatsoever do any other trans woman. It is their body. Why can't they control it? Myself, my body.

Also, not everyone is lucky to be able to get good jobs. Some trans woman, like myself, transition a lot younger and don't have the resources others have and have to turn to the sex industry. Some can't wait because their dysphoria is so severe they have to transition a lot younger then is the norm, which is 46, because if they don't they will die. Therefore, they can't get good jobs because of how society views trans woman. These women are trans women and they deserve our support not scorn, not ridicule. We do not know their life story. It is unfair to judge.

I really like you Donna (and generally really repsect your opinions. ALOT) but I have to disagree with you on this point. In any event, I LOVE FRANCE! You're so lucky to live there.

Joanna,
There was absolutely no scorn or ridicule in my reaction, just a reaction to a representation of trans women that I am personnally uncomfortable with. Actually, I would react in the same way to a cis woman who had her body "relooked" in such a manner so it's not just trans woman. I don't like over sexualized images of any women as I believe there is a lot more to women than that. Against that, I'm not going to get into a detailed discussion about how I feel about any of the photos in particular as I don't see any point to it.

Also, I understand why some people turn to the sex industry as one of the few ways they can make a living but if you pushed me on that, i don't believe at all it's the only reason. Even then, I actually have no issue with the sex industry which serves a purpose like many others. As long as people get into it freely and are not actually abused of, I see little intrinsic difference between selling your body and selling other services.

However, I am bothered, a bit, by the fact that so many people, here it at least, first association with the trans woman is the sex industry. I think you can understand that it is not helpful to those of us who have chosen other walks of life.
Hugs.
Donna

I think it's natural to be annoyed with something somebody does because you feel they are projecting an image on you and creating stigma that you have to deal with, I mean I can understand that impulse, but if you find yourself telling another adult how they should be because of how you feel their life reflects on you, it is a little selfish and controlling.  I guess I'm just saying there is a line there that people sometimes cross.  I'm not saying anybody has crossed it here or anything.

"How on earth do they get bodies like this."

90% photo editing and most of your life at the gym.

Plastic surgery is also very popular among women here in S. Korea. Although the U.S. tops in the number of plastic surgery, S. Korea tops in per capita.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2271134/15million-people-plastic-surgery-world-just-year--SOUTH-KOREA-leading-way.html

And, without makeup, most women look as plain as me. Once a Chinese newspaper posted photos of Miss Korea candidates:



And http://postfiles13.naver.net/20130626_220/2ch1999_1372235427924Pz6rW_JPEG/hu_1372235278_742643261.jpeg?type=w1

They first suspected possible plastic surgery, but realized that the skill of makeup was so much dramatic. Those Ms. Beauties all look similar, because the makeup was based on the common criteria of contemporary beauty.

Most women wear makeup. Some women undergo plastic surgery. Essentially, no difference in cis-women and transwomen regarding producing artificial beauty or wearing makeup.

barbie~~

Quote from: Heather on August 16, 2013, 12:04:54 AM
Thats not looking as feminine as possible. When Your out in public you don't see women like that. The only place where you see women like that is porn. That's not looking feminine that is a gross caricature of femininity and is not what real women look like.

I started this tread to find out how they achieved their bodies not to have people bash a particular type of trans women. No one version is better than the other but what makes that person happy.

I think some of these comments are out of envy. Their bodies are not unusual for latino and hispanic women. I rather look like them than as a pre-adolescent girl with long hair.

Quote from: Heather on August 16, 2013, 12:32:36 AM
I'm a trans woman but you must realize I'm also a feminist. And I don't like the idea of a woman trying to fit into the stereotypical male fantasy. So when I hear comments like the one I quoted it bothers me. If those women chose to look that way fine. But don't hold it up as some standard of femininity because its not.

Why is it wrong for them to want to fit a "typical male fantasy". But, it's ok for you to force your feminist ideal onto others?

Do you really have to fight now? Cut it out.

I'm not trans but i don't think this is a nice thing to say you know.