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How to change my name in NYC QUICKLY?? And being shirtless pre/non-op in public.

Started by Tyler90210, August 18, 2013, 10:05:14 PM

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Tyler90210

Hey guys. So right now I have a male NJ Driver's License sex marker with a female name.  I'm looking to change my name from a female one to it's gender neutral nickname.  I already have a lot of documents in my nickname; bank accounts, credit cards, etc. so I'm not sure if that will help or hinder my name change process. I'm guessing it will help but you never know...

I mainly want to change it because I want to feel 100% comfortable taking my shirt off in NJ on the beach, at parks, etc. while still being pre/non-op. I'm currently on T and pass I'd say 50-70% of the time. I'm already pretty small on top. I don't bind at all and when I lay down everything flattens completely.  I also have a lot of leg and stomach hair. I don't really envision there being an issue with me taking my shirt off and laying down but just in case I'd rather not present a MALE license with an obvious female name.

So anyway I just decided I want to change my name as quickly as possible so I can have some fun beach times before the summer is over.  I heard that changing your name in NYC is way faster then Jersey.  I heard that it's even possible to get it all done in ONE DAY if I go to a Brooklyn courthouse!?

Right now I live in Jersey but will be living with a buddy in NYC (Manhattan). I'll just be a roommate so my name won't be on the lease or bills or anything. I will still have a NJ driver's license as well. 

I have some questions about the process though --

1) What is the process? I've read online and it seems that I just fill out the forms and take them to a courthouse, pay and then (maybe?) see a judge and then I get my court order that day!? Seems to good to be true...

2) Can I go to a Brooklyn court even if I'm going to use a Manhattan address?

3) For the guys who have already done this; any courts you recommend or any tips you have?

4) If I can't get it done in a day or few would it be possible for me to have it all done within a month if I start the process this week?

5) As for the publication, if I try to waive it (just for convenience) would that delay the name change process and by how much?

6) Once I get the court order does anyone know how easy it is to change your license? Do I have to do the whole "six points" for changing my license?

7) Tiny bit off topic but am I correct in thinking that once I have a MALE driver's license and am considered male by the state I should be allowed to do everything else a cis-guy can including taking off my shirt? Does anyone know if I should worry about doing it in Asbury Park or Point Pleasant? 

Thanks so much guys!  I look forward to your responses!  You guys always help me out so much!
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mrs izzy

Maybe this will help????

New York State Domestic Relations Law, Section 15-1-b-1:

"Every person has the right to adopt any name by which he or she wishes to be known simply by using that name consistently and without intent to defraud."

New York State Civil Rights Law, Article 6, Section 65-4:

"Nothing in this article shall be construed to abrogate or alter the common law right of every person, whether married or single, to retain his or her name or to assume a new one so long as the new name is used consistently and without intent to defraud."

What that means is that any citizen of New York State can, at any time, simply change his or her name by act of will. There are a few stipulations: you can't change your name for any fraud-related reason, and once you change your name, you can never go back to your old name.

Don't expect a name change through usage to be easy; the right to do so predates social security cards and birth certificates. Though federal courts have consistently ruled that a name change by usage has exactly the same weight as a court-ordered one, in today's documentation-based society, changing a name by the commonly known methods is complicated enough; add on to that the fact that almost no one knows that the change-by-usage option is out there, and you've got quite the challenge.

Enjoy!
Izz
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Tyler90210

Quote from: mind is quiet now on August 18, 2013, 10:12:30 PM
Maybe this will help????

New York State Domestic Relations Law, Section 15-1-b-1:

"Every person has the right to adopt any name by which he or she wishes to be known simply by using that name consistently and without intent to defraud."

New York State Civil Rights Law, Article 6, Section 65-4:

"Nothing in this article shall be construed to abrogate or alter the common law right of every person, whether married or single, to retain his or her name or to assume a new one so long as the new name is used consistently and without intent to defraud."

What that means is that any citizen of New York State can, at any time, simply change his or her name by act of will. There are a few stipulations: you can't change your name for any fraud-related reason, and once you change your name, you can never go back to your old name.

Don't expect a name change through usage to be easy; the right to do so predates social security cards and birth certificates. Though federal courts have consistently ruled that a name change by usage has exactly the same weight as a court-ordered one, in today's documentation-based society, changing a name by the commonly known methods is complicated enough; add on to that the fact that almost no one knows that the change-by-usage option is out there, and you've got quite the challenge.

Enjoy!
Izz

Thanks!  I didn't know you could change your name with just common knowledge!  Interesting!  Though I don't mind getting a court order if that's easier.

Not that I would; but why can't I ever go back to my old name?  What if someone were to change their mind? Would it make a difference if their name change was a court order?
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Jamie D

There are a number of topics like this one on the "Legal Matters" board ... where this topic is headed in the next day or two.
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Nygeel

You would need to have residence in New York in order to change your name there. The process in NYC is easier than the rest of the state. But...if you're looking to walk around shirtless, it's completely legal in NYC. You can be shirtless anywhere that people with the "M" marker can.

http://www.courts.state.ny.us/courts/nyc/civil/namechanges.shtml
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Tyler90210

Quote from: Nygeel on August 18, 2013, 10:34:29 PM
You would need to have residence in New York in order to change your name there. The process in NYC is easier than the rest of the state. But...if you're looking to walk around shirtless, it's completely legal in NYC. You can be shirtless anywhere that people with the "M" marker can.

http://www.courts.state.ny.us/courts/nyc/civil/namechanges.shtml

Thanks!

Since I will be living in NYC I'm assuming that's enough for residence.  Just the mailing address?  I could have sworn that someone told me (like 2 years ago) that all you needed to "prove" residency was a mailing address?

I do know that I can be shirtless anywhere in NYC (yay!) but I'm wondering if that's true for Jersey too? With a male ID but female name? Do you happen to know about Jersey; especially the shore?
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Nygeel

Quote from: Tyler90210 on August 18, 2013, 10:39:44 PM
Thanks!

Since I will be living in NYC I'm assuming that's enough for residence.  Just the mailing address?  I could have sworn that someone told me (like 2 years ago) that all you needed to "prove" residency was a mailing address?

I do know that I can be shirtless anywhere in NYC (yay!) but I'm wondering if that's true for Jersey too? With a male ID but female name? Do you happen to know about Jersey; especially the shore?
I think you can prove residency if you have a bill in your name (water, gas, electric, etc) or something related to the rent....signed lease...something like that.
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Tyler90210

Quote from: Nygeel on August 18, 2013, 10:51:26 PM
I think you can prove residency if you have a bill in your name (water, gas, electric, etc) or something related to the rent....signed lease...something like that.

Hmm I don't think I'm going to be getting any of that.  :-\ I'm just moving in and paying cash...

I'm sure a lot of people are in the same boat as me. I hope NYC has a policy on this to make it easy.  :(
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Nygeel

Quote from: Tyler90210 on August 18, 2013, 10:55:31 PM
Hmm I don't think I'm going to be getting any of that.  :-\ I'm just moving in and paying cash...

I'm sure a lot of people are in the same boat as me. I hope NYC has a policy on this to make it easy.  :(
Will you be living there permanently?
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Tyler90210

Quote from: Nygeel on August 18, 2013, 11:04:42 PM
Will you be living there permanently?

Well, I'd say at least 6 months.  It could easily be 1 year + though.
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Nygeel

Quote from: Tyler90210 on August 18, 2013, 11:13:24 PM
Well, I'd say at least 6 months.  It could easily be 1 year + though.
Not sure what you're going to need, then to prove residency. You could check with the Sylvia Rivera Law Project.
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Tyler90210

Quote from: Nygeel on August 18, 2013, 11:24:01 PM
Not sure what you're going to need, then to prove residency. You could check with the Sylvia Rivera Law Project.

Thanks!! That's the place I read about it possibly only taking one day!  ;D

"The clerk will assign you a date for a name change hearing. If you know you can not make it on that date, just tell the clerk and ask for a later date. Your name change hearing will probably be scheduled for around one to four weeks after the date you file your papers. (This procedure can be different in other boroughs. For example, in Brooklyn, you will usually see a judge on the same day you file the papers.)"

I guess I'll be going to Brooklyn then.  ;D

I looked over their requirements and it seems that all I need is my form filled out with just my address and a copy of my birth certificate... I really hope that's it!  :P
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