I have always believed I was transgender until I went to have a few tests last month and the doctor said I was an intersex. It was the last thing that I could have imagined before the tests. In my old opinion intersex is rarely seen, and now I have found it might be much more common than I had thought.

At least you have knowledge of some causation for your gender issues.

What was the diagnosis, if you don't mind me asking?

I thought I was TS most of my life and it wasn't until my 50s (LONG after transition/SRS) that I found out there were 'complications'.

Quote from: Northern Jane on July 17, 2013, 05:51:20 AM
What was the diagnosis, if you don't mind me asking?

I too would like to know if you don't mind sharing sylvannus.

What were the tests and their names that were done that lead to you finding this out? I suspect I might be intersex and yes, it's WAY more common than society leads people to believe.

Its estimated that 1 IN 500 people have an intersex condition...some studies show higher and some lower...its very possible to be intersex and transsexual or transgender at the same time

Does being intersex make your gender identity any weaker? I'd see it, probably, more as a stronger case for transition - not only that your mind is female, but your body to some degree as well.

From the few dozen Intersex people I know, about 1/2 are quite secure in their gender identity and the other half express feeling "in between". The percentage of IS people who actually reject their sex of rearing and 'transition' seems to be very small, maybe 2 or3 percent.

Quote from: Shawn Sunshine on August 19, 2013, 08:29:42 AM
Its estimated that 1 IN 500 people have an intersex condition...some studies show higher and some lower...its very possible to be intersex and transsexual or transgender at the same time

may ask stupid but isnt intersex under the umbrella-term of transgenders?

A reply for a friend in the UK : "People who believe in the concept of the Transgender umbrella often seem to wish to force unwilling other groups to be lumped in with them. Most IS people that I know reject ABSOLUTELY any notion of being included in any transgender umbrella - and see it as and act of supreme cheek by transgender people to try and include them against their will, in something which they feel that have nothing whatsoever in common with!"

Quote from: Ms. OBrien CVT on August 19, 2013, 06:31:30 PM
A reply for a friend in the UK : "People who believe in the concept of the Transgender umbrella often seem to wish to force unwilling other groups to be lumped in with them. Most IS people that I know reject ABSOLUTELY any notion of being included in any transgender umbrella - and see it as and act of supreme cheek by transgender people to try and include them against their will, in something which they feel that have nothing whatsoever in common with!"

I mean nothing by this and if that's how they feel then I respect that but I will say that they DO have something in common with transgender people. From what I understand, IS people can feel like transgender people because their body has some of both genders. So while they "feel" they have nothing in common with transgender people I respectfully disagree with that but I also agree that some of them really don't feel like transgendered people do so for them I can agree with how they feel there. That's just how I see it anyway. Again I mean no offense here at all. I'll also say if not the feelings then how they're treated and the fear etc. they have have to go through is another thing in which we have in common.

Quote from: Ms. OBrien CVT on August 19, 2013, 06:31:30 PM
A reply for a friend in the UK : "People who believe in the concept of the Transgender umbrella often seem to wish to force unwilling other groups to be lumped in with them. Most IS people that I know reject ABSOLUTELY any notion of being included in any transgender umbrella - and see it as and act of supreme cheek by transgender people to try and include them against their will, in something which they feel that have nothing whatsoever in common with!"

Why such a harsh statement I where only asking a question.

She is IS and a medical student.  She has friends who are also IS, so I have to assume it is how they feel.  That is not to say all IS persons feel that way.

I do not understand all the intricacies, but I imagine something like this:



(image description: A venn diagram relating "intersex" and "transgender."  Intersex-not-transgender is labeled "people who don't appreciate being labeled against their will" and transgender-not-intersex is labeled "people who don't appreciate being told their bodies are 'normal' so their gender should be too.")

Quote from: Ms. OBrien CVT on August 21, 2013, 05:34:40 PM
She is IS and a medical student.  She has friends who are also IS, so I have to assume it is how they feel.  That is not to say all IS persons feel that way.

I belive no matter which group to ask people won't feel the same,
just for transexuals alone, theres ex some who feel there cisgender after bottom surgery where other feel there still transexuals.
and for intersex I also know/knew 2 people who both intersex but felt very diffrent. one been living a very typical cisgender-straigth life, while the other identify intersex and live in the whole glbt and queer world.

i think we just got our umbrellas wrong. the bigger umbrella is intersex, and one day they'll find sufficient evidence that ->-bleeped-<- belongs under it.

at least that's what i hope. we'd be a tiny minority under an umbrella of quite a lot of interesting medical conditions.