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Has anyone tried Axiron?

Started by qkcam, September 04, 2013, 06:59:35 PM

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qkcam

HI
i am coming off injections to try to get red blood cells down and HDL up.  my endo gave me a month supply of Axiron to try..  i have noticed a headache and itchy skin with bumps. they said decrease dose a bit.. although i am already taking less than "normal"    ..   
it seems what ever the T is suspended in with this formula my body is having a not so pleasant reaction to...
wondering if  Androgel would be a better option or if i should just get a compounded gel ?

my endo said she has seen the most consistant labs with axiron  that is why we went this route.. plus she has a free sample.

also.. does anyone know   when having labs done  to measure test levels  do you do this after apply your gel that am?   or wait?  thanks..
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A

Yesterday (or the day before), I was actually researching this out of curiosity for my best friend. Turns out as far as transdermal T options go, prices are:

Commercial gels: up to 150 $ a month
Compounded gels (needs to be specifically written on the prescription and prepared at a special compounding pharmacy): 90 $ a month
Cream imported from Australia: 50 $ a month

QuoteCreams: Can be more cost effective at $50/mth as they are imported direct to you from Australia and you don't need a prescription. But you need to see a doctor at the start to ensure correct dosage and to undertake regular checks - same with any treatment you may use.

There's also the alternative option of getting implants, but those are apparently very, very expensive, even though they're probably the best solution medically speaking.

All of this is as read in a Yahoo! Answer, so it's not encyclopedia stuff, but it looks pretty reliable.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090221143349AAJV9Pm

And I was taking Estrogel (for estrogen, duh), but I figure the problem might be the same with Androgel. If you do blood tests soon-ish after applying your gels, your results will go crazy. Basically, the principle of the gel is to store the hormone in your arms' tissue so that they are gradually flushed through the blood stream and thus made available to the body. It's just logical that plunging a needle precisely there wouldn't give you similar results to what is the average level in the body.

Two different blood tests gave levels of 1000 and 400 pmol/L (lol, same dose, doubled level, super logical) of estradiol because of proximity to the time when I took the gel, but I know for a fact I had almost nothing going through my system, because I was taking the same dose as post-menopausal women, which is the strict minimum to deal with menopause symptoms.

FYI, if I had such high blood values, sure as heck after the long time I've been on HRT, I wouldn't have so little results, and I wouldn't have started feeling the slight effect again when I went back to the pills I took before Estrogel, which gave me a (probably) reliable, steady dose of around 200. That's a level that would barely be alarming for a man.

My endo dismisses this explanation and all common sense, but I can certify something went wrong with these blood tests. Now, this is reported information from another patient from my province who sees another endo in another city, so don't take it for a fact, but when I asked about this on another forum, I was told that the endo in Montréal always tells patients who take Estrogel to go get their blood tests 24 hours after their last dose, and to make sure their arms are well washed before blood is taken.

Even though Estrogel is a medication whose purpose is to deliver relatively steady levels of estradiol over 24 hours, by storing the estradiol in the skin/fat/whatever, my endo said that my result of 150-180-something (forgot precisely) by following these instructions comes from estradiol's half-life being 12(?) hours. Even though the half-life obviously shouldn't begin to be counted until the product is actually released; if not, extended release products would be pointless.

So yeah, I figure my endo is getting old and never got to thinking about gels because he doesn't tend to prescribe them to trans patients. Only explanation to his contradictions. Hey, he said in the same appointment that I was indeed taking the standard menopausal woman dose and that the goal for these was usually around 200 pmol/L of estradiol, and also that it was absolutely possible and normal that I would get 2-5 times that with the same dose, even though I'm quite average in size.
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qkcam

HI
thank you for your thoughtful reply.. i am not sure if i can mention but there is a compounding pharmacy here in the US that has amazing prices.. at least they did when i called about Tgel and the pharmacists spent time and talked with me.. they also said they work with some TG patients..
the name is   womens international compounding pharmacy.  their price was 26$ a month including shipping.. i haven't used it yet   .. but a cis guy i know says they are reputable.   

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qkcam

at this  point i am trying to figure out if the transdermals that have alchol are causing my skin and heachace reactions-   i guess i wont know unless i switch.     
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A

Uh, skin problems to alcohol... unlikely but possible. Headaches though...? I can't even start to see how it could be linked.
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aleon515

Quote from: A on September 04, 2013, 08:43:38 PM
Uh, skin problems to alcohol... unlikely but possible. Headaches though...? I can't even start to see how it could be linked.

Well it is common to get headaches when first starting T. I had them initially and after the 4 month mark they eased off. So not sure that they are alcohol related unless you don't tolerate the kind of alcohol which would be in a lot of topical preparations (insect repellent and that sort of thing).


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qkcam

I have been on T for  quite a while.. so the headaches are not from the T..    that i know.. i think they are from the compound in the axiron.. i talked to a bioguy that had the same issue..

this is from the website..  dang sounds like scary stuff!
"The most common adverse events include: skin redness or irritation where AXIRON is applied, increased red blood cell count, headache, diarrhea, vomiting, "

here are the ingredients.. says it is flammable also..fun! 
Act
ive
ingredient: testosterone.
Inactiveingredients: ethanol,
isopropyl alcohol,
octisalate, and povidone
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aleon515

Quote from: qkcam on September 05, 2013, 12:15:34 AM
this is from the website..  dang sounds like scary stuff!
"The most common adverse events include: skin redness or irritation where AXIRON is applied, increased red blood cell count, headache, diarrhea, vomiting, "

here are the ingredients.. says it is flammable also..fun! 
Act
ive
ingredient: testosterone.
Inactiveingredients: ethanol, etc,


Well the side effects sound like T actually (increased red blood count and so on). I don't know re headache as I have heard people can have that the whole time they are on T. Not sure how typical it is. The only thing that sounds like Axiron specific is the irritation and redness. I always wondered about this method btw, because I take the compounded cream and one thing they tell you is NOT to apply it to some hairy area.

If you have headaches only with Axiron then it's possible you are allergic to something else and even can't tolerate the alcohol.

The other thing re lists of side effects they have to list everything, so that if one person has died they are going to list that. I took somethign that has caused death so I am pretty immune to these lists now. LOL Don't light up your underarms. :)




--Jay
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A

Do not apply to a hairy area... That sounds like it sucks for cis guys who were hairy everywhere to begin with and FTMs who become that way with T... having to shave that hard-earned hair. o.o
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aleon515

Quote from: A on September 05, 2013, 09:57:55 AM
Do not apply to a hairy area... That sounds like it sucks for cis guys who were hairy everywhere to begin with and FTMs who become that way with T... having to shave that hard-earned hair. o.o

I know someone who is on T cream and is pretty hairy. I think once you get to a certain level of T, that kind of thing is less of a concern. You're going to stay at a high enough level regardless. I've never heard of anyone shaving to apply T. But there are usually areas that are naturally lower hair like the inside of legs and arms.

--Jay
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A

Eh. Those are definitely extra hairy for me.

*Definitely down*
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aleon515

Quote from: A on September 06, 2013, 12:28:03 AM
Eh. Those are definitely extra hairy for me.

*Definitely down*

Well not that you'd WANT to, but that would be ok, it has to do with ideal absorption is all. Not exactly your thing as I see it says MTF.

--Jay
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A

No ehm, I was just making a half-joke about how the inside of the legs that you described as less hairy are actually pretty awful-looking in my case. :p
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