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Had a big panic today about toilets

Started by Joe., September 09, 2013, 07:38:36 PM

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Joe.

Today I needed to adjust my binder so I headed to the toilets and was planning to use the disabled. I got there and you needed a key so I had no choice but to keep walking towards the mens or the womens. I felt my chest tightening up and it felt like I couldn't breath. I suddenly felt this massive fear and I was going to go for the mens and go in and out but a man went in first so I dived into the ladies. Everyone stared at me and I literally just couldn't breath and ran into a cubicle. I have never felt so stupid before in my life. I didn't want to leave the cubicle so I waited until it sounded like everyone was gone and then I left as quickly as possible. I couldn't breath. Since going full time I'm worried about what bathroom and changing room to use and thinking about just avoiding it altogether. I don't want to feel like I did today ever again. I know this is a common problem among trans people but I needed to let it out somewhere because I really don't know what to do.
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Alexis Hennen

I had posted a similar problem in an other message. Basically I did the same thing as you, tried the disabled but again needed a key, then my fiance tried to push me into the woman's room, instead i ran into the men's room, only to be greeted by a member of the cleaning staff that exploded in panic and pushed me out of the men's room and into the ladies room... For me it was that last deciding push to where i ONLY use the ladies room now.
Once you step through the threshold, your life will forever be changed...
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Chaos

Its a common fear that alot of us deal with and for good reason.We havent been exactly able to be our selves.For me,i dont even make it an issue for myself.What i mean is,i pack in such a way that doesnt move or will need adjusting and i do not use public restrooms at all or any binding and that applys to the tree as well.Of course some may see that as being a coward but for me i see it as good in many ways and for me.I would rather piss behind a tree then have the fear that someone will react out of their own ignorance and fear.But i do want to encourage you to know that,as someone who has sever anxiety and panic attacks-its always good to let it out and always let it out to those who put you in that place or the situation.And panic attacks is the fear of the unknown *mentally* and what MAY happen (to be exact,its fear that all outcomes will result in bad turn.anxiety is consience fear that tells us how to react to certain things but some of us,live with it constantly and it becomes trapped in a loop of sorts).its good to have uplifting reinforcement.I made the choice i did because yes its true,i accepted that my body is the problem and that is what society looks at-most of them are brainless monkeys and if they cant touch it then it doesnt exist.its sad but true.i wish you luck and remember one thing,do whatever you need to in order to be who you are but never put yourself in danger and avoid triggers to help with your anxiety while you transition.there is ALWAYS a way to accomplish your goals while keeping everyone else out of your business
All Thing's Come With A Price...
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Taka

if you get panic attacks now, maybe the best thing is to confront the the toilet early on so the fear doesn't set. my experience is that the panic only goes away if i can prove myself wrong. asking a friend to help you by waiting outside and urging you to go to the men's room, might be of help. just go in and out as fast as you possibly can, and see if anyone even cared. the main reason why i never use the men's room is that i don't present male. i definitely would cause some riot if i tried. maybe i should do that once, just to see what happens. people usually don't attack strangers, except in self defense.
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Joe.

Thanks everyone. I think I just need to grab the bull by the horns and just go for it. It's that fear of actually doing it though and what might happen. Fear of the unknown like you said Chaos. I don't feel comfortable in the ladies anymore as my name is legally changed and I'm presenting as male. I don't think men care as much so I might just go for it. I think I'm also overthinking things and making it out to be worse than it is. In my head I'm expecting some huge bloke to be in there and get mad and push me out, whereas in reality I'll probably go in, do my business and leave, no problems. It's that stupid 'what if'.
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Nero

Quote from: Joey. on September 10, 2013, 09:35:50 AM
Thanks everyone. I think I just need to grab the bull by the horns and just go for it. It's that fear of actually doing it though and what might happen. Fear of the unknown like you said Chaos. I don't feel comfortable in the ladies anymore as my name is legally changed and I'm presenting as male. I don't think men care as much so I might just go for it. I think I'm also overthinking things and making it out to be worse than it is. In my head I'm expecting some huge bloke to be in there and get mad and push me out, whereas in reality I'll probably go in, do my business and leave, no problems. It's that stupid 'what if'.

Hi Joey,
Well depending on how well you pass, there could be a safety issue. But then, just walking around something could happen to you no matter who you are or what you look like. Just be aware of your surroundings and try to act like you belong there. And there's nothing wrong with turning around and going back out if you feel unsafe for some reason.

Most likely, the worst that would happen is someone would tell you you're in the wrong room. So just be prepared for that. If it happens, do what feels comfortable or safe at the time. If you don't feel like explaining yourself at the moment or are afraid to, then just act like you didn't realize it and walk out. Try venturing into the men's first in places where no one knows you (if that's a concern). Do trial runs. This time when you were headed to the mens but stopped short when you saw someone go in is a trial run. It gets you one step closer.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Adam (birkin)

Don't be too hard on yourself. It's ok to be scared. I remember one time, I was out as trans, but I wasn't passing...I had to go and since the men's was packed I went into the women's. Sure enough, a bunch of girls that were in one of my classes were all there talking in front of the counters. They gave me some pretty weird looks and I felt really scared and embarrassed. They knew I was born female but I still felt like...it was so embarrassing and I was going into their space. But none of them treated me any differently when we had class again, they were all very nice to me.

And I wasn't OK going into men's bathrooms until about 10 months on T because my passing wasn't solid. Whichever bathroom you choose, just remember that if anyone says anything you are completely able to handle it. If you want to go in the men's, as FA said, just do what feels comfortable if someone points it out. Even if it means just leaving and using the women's. There's nothing wrong with that if you feel better and safer in there, because you have to watch out for yourself first. If you get a comment in the women's, don't even worry about that, because I know cis women who have been asked to leave women's bathrooms and they're like...er...lol.
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Cindy

Sorry if this sounds silly, but practice going to the loo, when you are not in need.

That way you can walk in look and go to a stall, sit a few mins get use to the noise and environment , and then leave.

Talking from my past life, men don't think twice about who is in the loo. Women seem to have a far more social loo event that does not exist at all with guys.

I get conversation in the woman's toilet ranging from my hair to the weather, conversation in the male loo? Oh God I'm pissed as head hits wall.
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Taka

you got your name change that soon!? cool...

i have a feeling that people in the uk are alot like people here in norway. usually too busy minding their own business to say anything even if they think there's something weird going on (unless they're girls and think you've come to peep on them). this guy from london that i met at some other forum once told about one of his weirder bathroom experiences. a girl suddenly entered, did her business, and simply left. he didn't say anything, what can you really say about something like that? it's not easy to tell a stranger they're in the wrong place when they act like they belong there.

try places where nobody knows you for the first bathroom experiences. only those who know you as "really a girl" are likely to tell you you are in the wrong place.

and if someone attacks you physically, just scream. like, seriously scream (and run away). i don't think that is likely to ever happen, but it's better to attract attention if the unlikely happens. make them believe you are being attacked by an axe killer. you're also permitted to bite back if necessary.
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Chaos

Quote from: Joey. on September 10, 2013, 09:35:50 AM
Thanks everyone. I think I just need to grab the bull by the horns and just go for it. It's that fear of actually doing it though and what might happen. Fear of the unknown like you said Chaos. I don't feel comfortable in the ladies anymore as my name is legally changed and I'm presenting as male. I don't think men care as much so I might just go for it. I think I'm also overthinking things and making it out to be worse than it is. In my head I'm expecting some huge bloke to be in there and get mad and push me out, whereas in reality I'll probably go in, do my business and leave, no problems. It's that stupid 'what if'.

I agree 100% that facing it head on is the best course of action and yes,90% of the time-the outcome we fear,will not take place but because we are used to so MANY bad outcomes,thats where the fear comes in and seeing bad things on this front doesnt help either.We know our intentions there and thats what you should take comfort in.Though my situation is different at current because my anxiety has morphed into psychotic rage attacks (mindless and turning into a blood thirsty monster) after that is dealt with in the next few days and i have better control,i also plan to work myself into using the restrooms as well (i just hold it right now lol) and though you think its *stupid* anxiety and fear is very hard on someone and normally are scars from the past.so never be sorry for the pain you have suffered but you are much stronger then me and i praise you for that! awesome work and good luck!
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FTMDiaries

Firstly, congrats on getting your name change through! Woohoo! :D

As you know, I've been using the gents' exclusively since last year... and you know what? I still get nervous every time I have to go in there. But so far, after almost a year of using the gents' - most of it pre-T - the worst thing I've had happen to me is that I've had to wipe a bit of mess off the seat before I could do my business.

I've never been confronted.
I've never been challenged.
I've never been laughed at.

But in spite of this, I still get nervous. I'm only human. And I spent 40 years using the ladies' room, where women stare at each other intently and take note of every little detail of what you're wearing, doing, saying etc. Guys don't give two hoots about any of that stuff.

Those people who stared at you were only staring because you were clearly distressed. It's only natural that you should feel that way; it takes time to get your head around the fact that you have every right to be in the men's room. You're worried that the guys are going to check you out (like the girls do) and that they'll notice that something isn't quite right. But the truth is: guys don't even look at each other in the gents'. It's almost as if they're afraid to look at each other, in case someone might think they're gay. So they keep themselves to themselves, do their business, and get the heck out of there as quickly as possible. Which, of course, is what you want to do too.

To help you cope with your nerves, it's a good idea to move gradually from the ladies' to the gents'. That's what I did, and it helped my nerves enormously.

When I decided to stop using the ladies', I started by using only gender-neutral toilets. I know a lot of the Disabled facilities are locked (and I know that it's difficult to get the Radar key to open them), but quite a few retailers have gender-neutral facilities. Costa Coffee tends to have them, as do most branches of Subway. I recommend doing a recce of the local shopping centres etc. to see whether they have family rooms or unlocked disableds so you know where to go (as a suggestion, that big, new shopping centre we've talked about has family rooms and disabled rooms in the ground-floor toilets, and you don't need a key to get into any of them).

Then you can graduate onto quieter, less used (or single-stall) men's toilets. A good suggestion would be Starbucks, which has single-stall gendered facilities. Many of them have single-stall men's rooms in a discreet location; I'd recommend giving them a bash. This will help you get used to going into the men's room without having to share the space with other guys.

Then, move onto quieter multi-stall men's rooms. Most shopping centres have a set of toilets that are in an inconvenient location so they tend to have fewer people using them. That big, new shopping centre has a very quiet set of toilets on the top floor in the management suite; try using those when you're ready to graduate onto multi-stall facilities. It's very quiet but there will be one or two other guys there, so it's good practice for when you're ready to start sharing.

Once you've done all that, you can move on to the busier loos - but there's no rush so just take your time. Several people have suggested just going in there to wash your hands so that you can get used to being in the room. That helps too.

I have some coping mechanisms that I use whilst in the men's room to help me feel better, like lifting the seat up after I've had a number 1 (so that it looks like I stood to pee) or staying just a bit longer, and going for the toilet paper several times, to make it sound like I had a number 2. These little confidence tricks help me get through my nerves. I also tend to adopt an attitude when I go in, acting like I own the place (without being obnoxious). This helps prevent other people from questioning me, no matter how nervous I might feel inside.

Above all else, take it slowly and go at your own pace. Don't beat yourself up about the fact that you get nervous, and if you feel a panic attack coming on, perhaps it's a good idea to walk away for a couple of minutes to calm down, then try again at a quieter location. But please keep pushing ahead - gently - because using the gents' is the way forward for you.





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Joe.

Thank you everyone for your advice. I really do appreciate it. I need to gain more confidence in the issue I think. It sounds like a good idea to test the waters slowly though by going in and washing my hands first, or going in unisex toilets then working my way up. I passed whilst I was out today, but still went in the ladies because I couldn't rack up the courage to go for mens. I'm going to try and do it slowly though and not force myself into anything I'm uncomfortable with. The last thing I want to do is pass out from a panic attack lol (trust me it's happened to me before haha). I think if I go places I haven't been before where nobody knows me then it's a bit easier because if I do get kicked out then I never have to see them again. It's almost like I don't belong in the ladies anymore, but I don't quite belong in the men's yet either, so where do I go?  ???  I'm sure with time and as I gain more confidence it will become easier, but it's bothering me and I needed to let it out lol. Thanks again for your advice, I will definitely take it on board to work up a plan of how I can do this.
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