Quote from: Alice Danielle on September 15, 2013, 06:31:32 PM
I think a large majority of people have at least one shallow expectation for their choice in partners, physical sex and/or gender presentation being a very common one (I'd guess about 99% of monosexual people).  I don't think there's anything wrong about it either.  If you are attracted to women and there's a woman that you are 100% attracted to based on personality alone, if she looks 100% male, you are being shallow if you can't look past it.  The majority of physical transition is in itself a shallow pursuit as its based on appearance, yet 99% of the people on Susan's want to do it.  Correct me if I'm wrong.

I'd like to make it clear that I don't think being shallow is a bad thing, so this is not intended to be insulting in any way.

Yea, That's true

Quote from: Brandon on September 15, 2013, 06:30:43 PM




Well would you want me to lie and say I'm fine with it knowing I'm not, I also want biological children would you call that shallow

How's does that even compare to being shallow?

Quote from: Alice Danielle on September 15, 2013, 06:31:32 PM
I think a large majority of people have at least one shallow expectation for their choice in partners, physical sex and/or gender presentation being a very common one (I'd guess about 99% of monosexual people).  I don't think there's anything wrong about it either.  If you are attracted to women and there's a woman that you are 100% attracted to based on personality alone, if she looks 100% male, you are being shallow if you can't look past it.  The majority of physical transition is in itself a shallow pursuit as its based on appearance, yet 99% of the people on Susan's want to do it.  Correct me if I'm wrong.

I'd like to make it clear that I don't think being shallow is a bad thing, so this is not intended to be insulting in any way.

(shallow) = bold part not about what he likes.
P.s I was trying to find a better word to find to describe that him being also transgender and saying he couldn't get passed an mtf being bio male once..Is sort of what? shallow, hypocritical, ironic?? "wow" not focusing on the fact he doesn't like a mtf with male part or male features. (just to make it clear)

Quote from: Exus on September 15, 2013, 06:39:35 PM
(shallow) = bold part not about what he likes.

I agree, its not a good reason to not like someone for what they used to be like.  I'm not sure shallow would be the word I would use though.  Transphobic, maybe?

Quote from: Exus on September 15, 2013, 06:39:35 PM
How's does that even compare to being shallow?(shallow) = bold part not about what he likes.
P.s I was trying to find a better word to find to describe that him being also transgender and saying he couldn't get passed an mtf being bio male once..Is sort of what? shallow, hypocritical, ironic?? "wow" not focusing on the fact he doesn't like a mtf with male part or male features. (just to make it clear)

I'm lost you just called me shallow because of my oppion

Quote from: Alice Danielle on September 15, 2013, 06:44:05 PM
I agree, its not a good reason to not like someone for what they used to be like.  I'm not sure shallow would be the word I would use though.  Transphobic, maybe?

Wait wait hold up know I'm not transphobic theirs lots of other reasons I would not date a transwomen, That's just one of many

Quote from: Exus on September 15, 2013, 06:39:35 PM
How's does that even compare to being shallow?(shallow) = bold part not about what he likes.
P.s I was trying to find a better word to find to describe that him being also transgender and saying he couldn't get passed an mtf being bio male once..Is sort of what? shallow, hypocritical, ironic?? "wow" not focusing on the fact he doesn't like a mtf with male part or male fe




atures. (just to make it clear)

Wait so because I like women parts and I'm turned on by women parts if you will I'm transphobic, Shallow, Or a hypocryte

Quote from: Brandon on September 15, 2013, 06:45:46 PM


Wait wait hold up know I'm not transphobic theirs lots of other reasons I would not date a transwomen, That's just one of many

Now that I understand what Exus meant by shallow, I see it as the same as saying you wouldn't date someone who is skinny(which is fine if that's not what you're attracted to) but also adding on that you wouldn't date someone who used to be skinny.  It just doesn't make sense.

Let me remind you that you said "used to be biologically male" as in not anymore.

Lets all try and get along ok?

Quote from: Brandon on September 15, 2013, 06:47:26 PM


Wait so because I like women parts and I'm turned on by women parts if you will I'm transphobic, Shallow, Or a hypocryte

No, as I said before I was trying to find a better word, I used the wrong word "shallow" which was incorrect for that statement you made. (Not liking someone or not being able to look passed the fact someone was born bio male but isn't anymore) I get you won't like the male parts and voice etc.. that's understandable but it's hard to swallow when a transgender will judge someone based on their previous sex. I don't know if you understand what I'm saying.

English isn't my native language so excuse the misunderstanding.

Quote from: Darkie on September 15, 2013, 06:51:10 PM
Lets all try and get along ok?

No fighting, just misused of words and misunderstandings. 

Quote from: Exus on September 15, 2013, 06:54:08 PM
No, as I said before I was trying to find a better word, I used the wrong word "shallow" which was incorrect for that statement you made. (Not liking someone or not being able to look passed the fact someone was born bio male but isn't anymore) I get you won't like the male parts and voice etc.. that's understandable but it's hard to swallow when a transgender will judge someone based on their previous sex. I don't know if you understand what I'm saying.

English isn't my native language so excuse the misunderstanding.

I understand know, I didn't want to offend anyone specifically trans women, They tend to get mad when I say that, Which is far from my intentions, Because I'm not that type of guy

Quote from: Brandon on September 15, 2013, 05:31:44 PM
I wouldn't date a transgender woman personally, More power to any other guy who does though, And I'm gonna keep it real because that's the type of guy I am I couldn't get past the male parts and how she used to be biologically male

Well, I understand what you're saying but please try to be tactful when stating your opinions. You do know that MTF bottom surgery is leaps and bounds better than any options we have, right? After their SRS you'd never know they were MAAB, unless they disclosed. They're very lucky in that aspect.

You're young Brandon, and opinions/feelings do change with time. I wouldn't close myself off to the possibility of happiness because of some preconceived notion you may currently hold. There are a lot of Transwomen who are far more feminine than cis women. If I was single I would happily date a transwoman. Why? Because I would know she would see me for me. A lot of cis heterosexual females feel the same way about us that you do about transwomen. Personally I have only had luck with lesbians, bisexual, and curious women. Strictly heterosexual women are hard to come by for a transman...and even more so for a pre op transman.

I don't think it's "that easy" necessarily. Every individual is different, so the relationship being easier or harder would depend on all the people involved. I'm personally not opposed to the idea of dating another trans person.

Quote from: Brandon on September 15, 2013, 07:00:08 PM
I understand know, I didn't want to offend anyone specifically trans women, They tend to get mad when I say that, Which is far from my intentions, Because I'm not that type of guy

It's great that you're not that type or guy, but please try listening better when people tell you that you're being offensive, even if you think your opinions are harmless. You don't have to be doing something on purpose for it to be hurtful.

Quote from: Si on September 15, 2013, 08:17:02 PM
You're young Brandon, and opinions/feelings do change with time. I wouldn't close myself off to the possibility of happiness because of some preconceived notion you may currently hold. There are a lot of Transwomen who are far more feminine than cis women. If I was single I would happily date a transwoman. Why? Because I would know she would see me for me. A lot of cis heterosexual females feel the same way about us that you do about transwomen. Personally I have only had luck with lesbians, bisexual, and curious women. Strictly heterosexual women are hard to come by for a transman...and even more so for a pre op transman.

Simon is right, but I'd also just like to add that as you get older, looks and physiology start to matter less and less. Sure, most people have their idea of their "fantasy" partner but are perfectly happy dating or marrying someone who does not completely fit their fantasy. You can still have a wonderful life together, great sex, feel they are attractive, even if they don't fit into your fantasy.

Transwomen are real women too, seriously, you're going by stereotypes if you believe all transwomen are tall, have deep voices, and so on.
Look over at the MTF board's photo section--there's a lot of good looking women over there!  Many, you'd never be able to tell, such as awhile ago I was on youtube looking at makeup tutorials and ran across PrincessJoules, I watched a few videos thinking she was cis-female, than bam, she starts talking about being an MTF. She's totally hot. Nowadays, more and more trans people are transitioning younger, and surgeries are getting better, so people aren't going to be falling into the stereotypes that it seems you're thinking of.

Quote from: Brandon on September 15, 2013, 05:31:44 PM

That's what I like bro, I always have loved the female body, I wouldn't date a transgender woman personally, More power to any other guy who does though, And I'm gonna keep it real because that's the type of guy I am I couldn't get past the male parts and how she used to be biologically male, And I can understand some straight cis women may feel the same way but their are alot that don't

Let's flip this now Brandon. Lets imagine somebody says to you 'look Brandon, I can't go out with you because of your female parts and you used to be biologically female'. That would hurt you wouldn't it? Reading what you wrote stung like hell, as I'm sure it did to others and I'm pretty sure it would to you if somebody was that cruel to say that to you. Please think about what you're saying.

Quote from: Si on September 15, 2013, 08:17:02 PM
Well, I understand what you're saying but please try to be tactful when stating your opinions. You do know that MTF bottom surgery is leaps and bounds better than any options we have, right? After their SRS you'd never know they were MAAB, unless they disclosed. They're very lucky in that aspect.

You're young Brandon, and opinions/feelings do change with time. I wouldn't close myself off to the possibility of happiness because of some preconceived notion you may currently hold. There are a lot of Transwomen who are far more feminine than cis women. If I was single I would happily date a transwoman. Why? Because I would know she would see me for me. A lot of cis heterosexual females feel the same way about us that you do about transwomen. Personally I have only had luck with lesbians, bisexual, and curious women. Strictly heterosexual women are hard to come by for a transman...and even more so for a pre op transman.

I already know mtf surgery is good but I want a natal born woman, And I already know some straight women feel that way about transguys I'm just not into dating other trans people

Quote from: Joey. on September 15, 2013, 08:30:51 PM
Let's flip this now Brandon. Lets imagine somebody says to you 'look Brandon, I can't go out with you because of your female parts and you used to be biologically female'. That would hurt you wouldn't it? Reading what you wrote stung like hell, as I'm sure it did to others and I'm pretty sure it would to you if somebody was that cruel to say that to you. Please think about what you're saying.

Bro I've already had that happen plenty of times, But I can understand why some females would say that, That's why it doesn't get to me like it did when I was a freshmen I'm jr know and I have matured alot since then, I don't take that much offence to it know, Because I know their are plenty of cis straight women who will date me

Quote from: LearnedHand on September 15, 2013, 08:30:10 PM
Simon is right, but I'd also just like to add that as you get older, looks and physiology start to matter less and less. Sure, most people have their idea of their "fantasy" partner but are perfectly happy dating or marrying someone who does not completely fit their fantasy. You can still have a wonderful life together, great sex, feel they are attractive, even if they don't fit into your fantasy.

Transwomen are real women too, seriously, you're going by stereotypes if you believe all transwomen are tall, have deep voices, and so on.
Look over at the MTF board's photo section--there's a lot of good looking women over there!  Many, you'd never be able to tell, such as awhile ago I was on youtube looking at makeup tutorials and ran across PrincessJoules, I watched a few videos thinking she was cis-female, than bam, she starts talking about being an MTF. She's totally hot. Nowadays, more and more trans people are transitioning younger, and surgeries are getting better, so people aren't going to be falling into the stereotypes that it seems you're thinking of.

I'm just not attracted to that, What is wrong with wanting a natal born woman I do want biological children

Quote from: Brandon on September 15, 2013, 08:33:47 PM
Bro I've already had that happen plenty of times

The difference is, they weren't on a transgender support website.

Then you know how it feels?! So why would you say something like that about a transwoman? It's completely out of order and I'd expect better from somebody who knows how it feels.