i have been in a relations with a lot of womans in my life ''from the net'' and 2 in reality,i found out that a cis woman will never understand a trans guy i mean even if she love you and have feelings for you she will never be able to competly understand you plus those embarassing question they start asking -.-'' like ''how we will have sex'' and other more weird stuffs,but if you date a trans women she will completlly understand you cause you both have GID and she know what that means plus i think mtfs r really beautiful and more girly than cis womens and that's amazing ..who's agree guys ? any i only date mtfs here 

Quote from: jossef-ftm on September 21, 2013, 07:30:22 AM
i have been in a relations with a lot of womans in my life ''from the net'' and 2 in reality,i found out that a cis woman will never understand a trans guy i mean even if she love you and have feelings for you she will never be able to competly understand you plus those embarassing question they start asking -.-'' like ''how we will have sex'' and other more weird stuffs,but if you date a trans women she will completlly understand you cause you both have GID and she know what that means plus i think mtfs r really beautiful and more girly than cis womens and that's amazing ..who's agree guys ? any i only date mtfs here 

There's been quite a few threads on this.  Depending on the person it brings many problems or can be a totally positive experience.  You both understand some of the more broad issues, but there are also issues that conflict, issues that may trigger the other person, issues that you may not understand.  But, if it works for both of you, great!

The idea of writing off a whole group of people because you mistakenly believe that not a single one of them will EVER understand you seems kind of foolish. Women don't understand men. That means MTFs do not understand men. Men do not understand women. That means FTMs do not understand women. Many people of the same gender don't understand each other. There are so many variables that writing it in stone that no cis gendered woman can ever have the mental capacity to comprehend your life makes me believe that you've just been dealing with some incredibly immature females.

Also, if you're embarrassed by talking about sex and how your life will work out together, then I think that's also a clue. MTFs will definitely ask you questions like that because... that's what adults do. They talk and come to conclusions or compromise.

Quote from: jossef-ftm on September 21, 2013, 07:30:22 AM
i have been in a relations with a lot of womans in my life ''from the net'' and 2 in reality,i found out that a cis woman will never understand a trans guy i mean even if she love you and have feelings for you she will never be able to competly understand you plus those embarassing question they start asking -.-'' like ''how we will have sex'' and other more weird stuffs,but if you date a trans women she will completlly understand you cause you both have GID and she know what that means plus i think mtfs r really beautiful and more girly than cis womens and that's amazing ..who's agree guys ? any i only date mtfs here 

"Only" you see, I would agree with "date whoever you fall in love with" but to go as far as to say "only"- yeah, no. I love women, period. If the girl I fall for is cis or mtf, if she's a woman, I'll date you as long as I like you. Plus I don't date ignorant people. I like women with an open mind, who love to expand their knowledge beyond what society teaches you. (Think outside the box) to be "original" and "different" I also don't date any girl I haven't gotten to know. This is why I prefer dating someone who has been a friend for a while and I know how she thinks.
I know it's cheesy to say this but for me:
Brains/Personality>beauty.
My current gf has beauty, brains and personality and she's cis. She adores me, adores the LGBT, she's has always helped me deal with my own fears because I'm not secure enough. She's one in a million and I honestly never plan to lose her because I've never dated anyone who has understood me and cared more than her.

Just because you picked up bad apples, it doesn't mean all of them are rotten.

Trans men can definitely make a relationship work with cis women, so it's not fair to write off a whole group of people because you've not found the right person yet.  I think it's daft to write off a group of people full stop, and to be honest, I don't think it's possible.  If you fall for someone you're going to fall for them regardless of their gender identity, or even gender, countless books and other plotlines have been written around people falling in love with someone they wouldn't think they would.

You can't force love, if you find someone you love then good on you, I don't think you can actively go looking for that "right person".

I'm engaged to a cis woman and she never asks me those kinds of questions. She's very respectful and while she doesn't COMPLETELY understand me, she has a good idea of what I'm going through and isn't disrespectful. You just have to find the right person MTF or not.

I think your throwing all cis girls in a box, I know plenty of girls who are not disrespectful like, I think it all depends on the person, You can't expect everyone to just understand you like that being trans can be complicated to understand, Besides I've hear some transwomen say they want a cismale or a real penis, They have said it again it really depends on the person

Quote from: M a t t on September 21, 2013, 10:31:09 AM
"Only" you see, I would agree with "date whoever you fall in love with" but to go as far as to say "only"- yeah, no. I love women, period. If the girl I fall for is cis or mtf, if she's a woman, I'll date you as long as I like you. Plus I don't date ignorant people. I like women with an open mind, who love to expand their knowledge beyond what society teaches you. (Think outside the box) to be "original" and "different" I also don't date any girl I haven't gotten to know. This is why I prefer dating someone who has been a friend for a while and I know how she thinks.
I know it's cheesy to say this but for me:
Brains/Personality>beauty.
My current gf has beauty, brains and personality and she's cis. She adores me, adores the LGBT, she's has always helped me deal with my own fears because I'm not secure enough. She's one in a million and I honestly never plan to lose her because I've never dated anyone who has understood me and cared more than her.

Just because you picked up bad apples, it doesn't mean all of them are rotten.

Agreed I have had it happen but I'm not gonna throw every cis girl in a box

f...!!! ur so handsome!! 

To provide a mtf perspective here, I think there is much we also don't know about ftms.  I can only speak for myself, but I can only relate with ftms in the respect that we both have GID.  Outside of that, I'm no more an authority on what men feel or what transitioning on the male side of spectrum is like.  I suppose I can relate with having societal pressures thrown upon me and some trans knowledge, but I would imagine there is as much of a learning curve for both transgirls and cisgirls.  Just my thoughts on the topic.  Nonetheless, I do appreciate hearing that there are men who are into us!

I agree with LtL here. I don't know that women understand men (or the other way). Of course there is nothing whatsoever wrong with dating mtfs. But I don't know that you want to categorical rule people out either.

--Jay

Quote from: jossef-ftm on September 21, 2013, 07:30:22 AM
i have been in a relations with a lot of womans in my life ''from the net'' and 2 in reality,i found out that a cis woman will never understand a trans guy i mean even if she love you and have feelings for you she will never be able to competly understand you plus those embarassing question they start asking -.-'' like ''how we will have sex'' and other more weird stuffs,but if you date a trans women she will completlly understand you cause you both have GID and she know what that means plus i think mtfs r really beautiful and more girly than cis womens and that's amazing ..who's agree guys ? any i only date mtfs here 

Oh and what's wrong with a cis women asking how do we have sex, That's a smart question, Their going to ask especially if your still female bodied this is why I would hold off on sex right know

Quote from: Brandon on September 21, 2013, 03:16:50 PM
Oh and what's wrong with a cis women asking how do we have sex, That's a smart question, Their going to ask especially if your still female bodied this is why I would hold off on sex right know

Because it's rude. Cis people assume that trans* people's bodies and sexuality is ALWAYS open for discussion and frankly, unless I'm having sex with the person, how I chose to have sex is NO ONE'S business. If I were just meeting someone to date and just talking, I would not date them if they asked me how I have sex after just meeting them. My body and sexuality is not open for discussion with anyone, but people I chose to discuss it with. To me, it's another way for cis people to dehumanize trans people.

Quote from: Darrin Scott on September 21, 2013, 03:51:03 PM
Because it's rude. Cis people assume that trans* people's bodies and sexuality is ALWAYS open for discussion and frankly, unless I'm having sex with the person, how I chose to have sex is NO ONE'S business. If I were just meeting someone to date and just talking, I would not date them if they asked me how I have sex after just meeting them. My body and sexuality is not open for discussion with anyone, but people I chose to discuss it with. To me, it's another way for cis people to dehumanize trans people.

I mean if my gf asked me how are we gonna have sex I wouldn't be offended, Being trans is not something easy to understand, of course they might ask because because sadly were still female bodied, If some random person asked me then yea I 'd get mad, But if my gf asked me like I said I'm not gonna get offended even if a close friend of mine asked me I wouldn't be upset

Quote from: Brandon on September 21, 2013, 04:33:25 PM
I mean if my gf asked me how are we gonna have sex I wouldn't be offended, Being trans is not something easy to understand, of course they might ask because because sadly were still female bodied, If some random person asked me then yea I 'd get mad, But if my gf asked me like I said I'm not gonna get offended even if a close friend of mine asked me I wouldn't be upset

Oh that makes sense. If you're already dating the person and they ask.

Quote from: Darrin Scott on September 21, 2013, 04:44:06 PM
Oh that makes sense. If you're already dating the person and they ask.

Yea, And I have had people ask me how I have sex with girls