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the thread that can't be derailed....

Started by cynthialee, December 03, 2011, 09:47:32 AM

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Shantel

Quote from: Ativan Prescribed on September 25, 2013, 11:52:40 AM

I don't advocate taking meds for anything until it's necessary to do so and even then only in the smallest amounts possible.
Like I said, talk therapy is first line defense, always. Even if it is just a friend to talk to.
Sometimes just talking it out loud to yourself works. A weird yet true tactic that actually works.


The VA tried to load me up on anxiety meds which only gave me brain shorts kind of like a four cylinder motor with only three cylinders firing, it made me jump periodically for no reason. I had to ramp down off of them and opted for talk therapy to work out PTSD and anxiety issues, it was like peeling a new layer off of an onion each session complete with tears until it was all uncovered and exposed, then I learned about those things that cause anxiety and sudden extreme anger and how to recognize them from afar when they are just coming up on the horizon and was given the tools via other options for sidestepping it. It took a long time but has proven to be much better than becoming dependent on chemicals that alter my brain's hardwiring. That's not to say that some with clinical depression should stop their medication. My situation was different.
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Taka

Quote from: Ativan Prescribed on September 25, 2013, 11:52:40 AM
It wasn't aimed at you, but you did make the statement, however taken out of context I made it.
mm, i did understand that. but just like you, i'm looking for answers, as well as trying to give others opportunity to share their stories. looks like it worked, from your reply.

i find it interesting how it's easier for me to just drop a thought in this thread than posting them in other topics. this time, i don't experience anxiety. or maybe i actually do without knowing it, since my problem this time is some kind of emotional detachment. all the emotions are right there, under the ice, and i feel so comfortable standing on that ice that i don't really feel like breaking it. but that's only until i once again notice how cold this place is. maybe it's self defense, blocking out everything so i won't be overwhelmed by anxiety and depression, but with the side effect that i don't really experience the good emotions either. like when i hugged my daughter just a few hours ago, and right in the middle of the hug lost all feelings of goodness. i didn't let go of her though, i don't want her to think that i don't care about her. even if i can't feel it to strongly myself right now, i do care a lot.

i'm a little complicated. almost like the description i once hear of scorpios. capable of deep and passionate love, or hate, but can also leave the passion to become a cold blooded monster. balance is just as hard to reach with this as with more than one gender. it feels a little weird that i have to calculate my actions in order to be the person that i want to be. usually i respond to people instinctively.

what do i do if this isn't dysphoria, but an actual personality trait of mine...


i think i've done too much thinking for tonight. someone liven this thread up with something random, please.
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ativan

I'm sure that something random will just randomly fall into this thread at any random moment, considering how random things can be at random times like this.
*Random speculation...

*Now the word random looks weird. Could just be a random thing.

*Ativan does a little random dance while running away in random directions.
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Taka

hehe, that feels better.
making me smile, ativan.
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ativan

Quote from: Shantel on September 25, 2013, 12:54:11 PM
I had to ramp down off of them and opted for talk therapy to work out PTSD and anxiety issues, it was like peeling a new layer off of an onion each session complete with tears until it was all uncovered and exposed, then I learned about those things that cause anxiety and sudden extreme anger and how to recognize them from afar when they are just coming up on the horizon and was given the tools via other options for sidestepping it. It took a long time but has proven to be much better than becoming dependent on chemicals that alter my brain's hardwiring. That's not to say that some with clinical depression should stop their medication. My situation was different.
For a thread that can't be derailed, we sure have been staying on the tracks, lol...
I'm still going through some of this, though not as much as when I first started it.
What a weird mix of gender and CPTSD issues it's been.
I still need to carry anxiety meds with me, just knowing I have them with me is really more important than using them.
They're different than the Wellbutrin I take for depression. It's not your standard SSRI antidepressant. Those ramped up the anxiety.
Being able to see anxiety coming around the corner is from a lot of talk therapy, and it took a few therapists to find the right one.

Everyone has a different story, different journey, but some things remain the same regardless.
When I need to calm down, sometimes the situation calls for meds, but not on any kind of regular basis.
It's weird the triggers that happen. They don't seem to have anything to do with my past, but might.
I talk to my therapist about them, and if they don't seem to relate, we try to figure them out.
I think some of them are never going to reveal anything new, anything to work on.
But even that is something in itself. Just knowing nothing about them makes me step back from the situation.
Which is not in my nature to usually do. I tend to step into things rather than walk away.
But I'm learning new tactics for avoiding those kinds of things. Better than depending on something thats not me.
Which is what anxiety meds really are. They intentionally disrupt your wiring.
But they do nothing for my depression, if anything, they make it worse.

Unfortunately, some of us are wired wrong, and it takes specific meds to make us the same normal as most people are.
It's hell trying to navigate through life in a constant state of depression. I get nowhere without my antidepressant.
It's not addictive, you don't get any kind of a high from them, you just get to function like everyone else.
If you don't need them, they do nothing for you. They might give you a little boost of serotonin or norepinephrine.
Wellbutrin also boosts your uptake of dopamine somewhat. But it's not a kind of thing that you get right away, like anxiety meds.
Antidepressants can take up to a month before the receptors adjust in your brain.
Coffee has a larger effect than antidepressants do in the short term. But caffeine does little to adjust your chemical balance for depression.
Antidepressants just allow your receptors to function like they should.

Anxiety meds work far differently and can become very addictive and when they do, their effectiveness wears down.
So you need more to get the same effects.
That's when they start to affect your wiring in a kind of semi permanent way.
Which is harder to fix than the anxiety itself. Opiates used for painkillers work almost the same way.
Even though I'm one of those people who just doesn't get addicted to things, I still dislike the effects from them.
Going through life wearing rose colored glasses isn't any way to live.
A person needs to be able to withstand things when they go wrong, and it takes practice.
Without a doubt, talk therapy is far more effective in the long run than med therapy when it comes to anxiety.

I still have a prescription for Ativan, but I really don't know when it was the last time I had to get a refill.
Life is much better this way, even if I am still learning to deal with some things.
Ativan
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cynthialee

stop trying to put a train on my trackless thread!
It can't work. There are no rails, the train is just going to sit in one spot.

Now back on topic:
How do we derail this thread that started off without rails?

amateurs....
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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cynthialee

So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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Shantel

Quote from: Ativan Prescribed on September 26, 2013, 12:09:51 PM

I still have a prescription for Ativan, but I really don't know when it was the last time I had to get a refill.
Life is much better this way, even if I am still learning to deal with some things.
Ativan

That's OK I understand how it works, kind of like a small child and their security blanket. I quit my two pack a day smoking habit back in 76 cold turkey after having smoked like a chimney for 18 years. I carried a pack of butts for several months never smoking any until I finally threw them away. if I hadn't I would have felt the need to buy some and that vicious cycle would begin again. This way they were dormant things in my breast pocket, I knew they were there but didn't use them even though I knew I could. I dealt with booze the same way, still have half a bottle of 151 Rum and half a dozen bottles of wine that simply take up space in a cabinet, eventually they will find a new home elsewhere.
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ativan

 Cyndi is gonna get you!
*Ativan runs away, leaving little pooftah dust balls behind...
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Kia

Shouldn't this thread be called "the thread that can't be railed..."?
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Taka

but we do rail it once in a while. for a few posts before we forget what we were doing.
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Kia

rail it on the topic of how it can't be derailed? I'm confused ???

Is it railed right now?
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Shantel

Quote from: Taka on September 27, 2013, 04:34:30 AM
but we do rail it once in a while. for a few posts before we forget what we were doing.

For me it comes from having CRS! (Can't Remember Squat)
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ativan

verb (used without object)
1.
to utter bitter complaint or vehement denunciation (often followed by at  or against  ): to rail at fate.
verb (used with object)
2.
to bring, force, etc., by railing.
Origin:
1425–75; late Middle English railen  < Middle French railler  to deride < Provençal ralhar  to chatter < Vulgar Latin *ragulāre,  derivative of Late Latin ragere  to bray

Related forms
rail·er, noun
rail·ing·ly, adverb

Synonyms
1. fulminate, inveigh, castigate, rant, revile.
Dictionary.com Unabridged
Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2013.

:)
But more importantly, it's raining, I'm on a Cipro regime once again and I'm going shopping.
Because I can. Not that I'm railing or anything. Fulminating, maybe,
but I have no idea what that means and I revile the thought of doing so at the moment.
Grilled cheese sandwich for breakfast and I'm outa here... :D
Ativan
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ativan

ful·mi·nate  (flm-nt, fl-)
v. ful·mi·nat·ed, ful·mi·nat·ing, ful·mi·nates
v.intr.
1. To issue a thunderous verbal attack or denunciation: fulminated against political chicanery.
2. To explode or detonate.
v.tr.
1. To issue (a denunciation, for example) thunderously.
2. To cause to explode.
n.
An explosive salt of fulminic acid, especially fulminate of mercury.
[Middle English fulminaten, from Latin fulminre, fulmint-, to strike with lightning, from fulmen, fulmin-, lightning that strikes; see bhel-1 in Indo-European roots.]
fulmi·nation n.
fulmi·nator n.
fulmi·na·tory (-n-tôr, -tr) adj.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

OK, fine, so I looked it up, because I had to once I saw it.
Only to find out I knew this but couldn't remember it.
How darn fulminating... :)
Ativan
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Shantel

Fulminate goes hand in hand with vitriol. Having fulminated over something that was said I finally became extremely vitriolic and responded explosively and then Devlyn  :police: showed up!  :D ;D :laugh:
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ativan

New Boots! Knee high lace up with 2 1/2" chunky heels, and soles with tread on them.
Black feminine fit, but bad-assed looking.
Kind of like my black/white Strat, and the amp on full overdrive.
Ooh ooh! figured out how Joan Jett gets that deep chunk drive sound from an article from Gibson guitars.
I can get my rig to approximate it pretty well, but it's really in how you use your right hand.
*There's a theme going on here, isn't there... (I'm so easy sometimes ;))
*Ativan lets out an evil little laugh as the guitar is about to be plugged in, cause the boots fit perfectly.
'Bad Reputation', shaken the windows...
:) :) :)
Ativan
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Jamie D

Quote from: Kia on September 26, 2013, 05:12:33 PM
Shouldn't this thread be called "the thread that can't be railed..."?

I am struck by your profundity.
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Taka

i was reminded how much i want some sexy black leather clothing. with lots of straps that i can use on others if need be...

and just because i feel like it. might be the most distracting song i know, impossible to get any work done if listening to it.
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