Quote from: ثنائية بين الجنسين on September 26, 2013, 01:32:45 AM
Aww I was hoping to hear from a professional.

OK.

Immunization is the single most life saving event in medical history. It is very safe.

You cannot catch the flu from the flu injection.

It takes two weeks give a week to get an immune response to the immunization, you are as vulnerable as an non-immunized person during that time.

The average incubation time to come down with flu virus from first contact is 48 hours. If you 'catch' the flu from the injection (which you can't) would be 48 hours.

A person with the flu is contagious before they show symptoms.

Some people do react to the carrier that was used in the immunization protocol. That reaction is in the warning protocols so be honest with you medic giving you the shot.

Catching the 'flu in the normal population is stochastic, the chances are massively increased if a person has it and you come in contact to them.

The facts for the last season in the USA are here:

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/

'flu can be fatal. Being vaccinated is important in the young healthy people like you, to protect us old biddies and children from getting infected from you. You will be sick, people whom are immune compromised may die.

There is a generalized misunderstanding that vaccination (against any disease) is about protecting the individual. It isn't it is about protecting the majority.

The only way any disease has been eradicated has been by vaccination.

There are Immunologist who suggest that people who refuse to be vaccinated against disease should not be allowed to mingle among the general population - interesting point.

It is starting to happen in the schooling system.

Quote from: Cindy on September 27, 2013, 03:34:41 AM
OK.

Immunization is the single most life saving event in medical history. It is very safe.

You cannot catch the flu from the flu injection.

It takes two weeks give a week to get an immune response to the immunization, you are as vulnerable as an non-immunized person during that time.

The average incubation time to come down with flu virus from first contact is 48 hours. If you 'catch' the flu from the injection (which you can't) would be 48 hours.

A person with the flu is contagious before they show symptoms.

Some people do react to the carrier that was used in the immunization protocol. That reaction is in the warning protocols so be honest with you medic giving you the shot.

Catching the 'flu in the normal population is stochastic, the chances are massively increased if a person has it and you come in contact to them.

The facts for the last season in the USA are here:

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/

'flu can be fatal. Being vaccinated is important in the young healthy people like you, to protect us old biddies and children from getting infected from you. You will be sick, people whom are immune compromised may die.

There is a generalized misunderstanding that vaccination (against any disease) is about protecting the individual. It isn't it is about protecting the majority.

The only way any disease has been eradicated has been by vaccination.

There are Immunologist who suggest that people who refuse to be vaccinated against disease should not be allowed to mingle among the general population - interesting point.

It is starting to happen in the schooling system.

I didn't think of it this way.  So, vaccinated individuals are at less (or no) risk of being a carrier?  I didn't know that it had any effect on that.  Flu vaccines certainly aren't marketed this way, its all about helping yourself, so I figured that since I don't get the flu without it, there is no point.  I think health care advertisers would be surprised by how many people aren't as selfish as marketing assumes.

It is very frustrating and a reason that I am wary and weary.

Yes there have been poor vaccines, but go back to the first smallpox vaccination - that was how it was done.

Read the History of Smallpox, and read about Rabies.

There were scientists there who had brains and courage. They are still around HPV, Heliobacter. We are all Mad.

Vaccination and immunization is about saving populations. The sad and tragic part is that some will suffer or die from it.

What do you do?

If it is your child it is a crime against humanity to have killed him/her by an adverse reaction. If you are a scientist with a heart you cry and keep on going. Because one person is not humanity, no matter how cute they may be.

We, in this time point, have no recollection of what it was like prior to vaccination.

The mortality rate of children in the WW at age 5 was 50% .

In 1796, a cow named Blossom transferred cowpox to a milkmaid named Sarah Nelmes.

Edward Jenner, a British scientist, eager to test his hypothesis that those persons who had contracted cowpox were resistant to the deadlier smallpox, scraped pus from Sarah Nelmes's blisters, and inoculated an eight-year old boy named James Phipps, who developed a mild case of cowpox.

Six weeks later, Jenner inoculated Phipps with pus from smallpox blisters.  Phipps did not develop the disease.  Jenner repeated the experiment, with the same result.

Jenner published a paper, "An Inquiry into the Causes and Effects of the Variolae Vaccinae" and became known as the "Father of Immunology."  Blossom's hide hangs on the wall St. George's Medical School Library.

I don't know about you all but in the UK we only seem to give shots to the elderly (over 65) and the most vulnerable. I'm fortunate I rarely get flu. I put it down to good diet, exercise, green tea (<3) and red wine. Natures natural remedies!

Quote from: Dreams2014 on September 27, 2013, 06:24:02 AM
I don't know about you all but in the UK we only seem to give shots to the elderly (over 65) and the most vulnerable. I'm fortunate I rarely get flu. I put it down to good diet, exercise, green tea (<3) and red wine. Natures natural remedies!

In the US, they prioritize the elderly, babies, and otherwise vulnerable, but anyone else can get it.

Tbh except for the elderly I don't know why anybody else would bother with a flu shot, don't the strains change every year?

I should be getting the flu shot at my nexr Dr's appointment next week. They give them for free.

Quote from: Dreams2014 on September 27, 2013, 06:24:02 AM
I don't know about you all but in the UK we only seem to give shots to the elderly (over 65) and the most vulnerable. I'm fortunate I rarely get flu. I put it down to good diet, exercise, green tea (<3) and red wine. Natures natural remedies!

Quote from: LearnedHand on September 27, 2013, 06:48:26 AM
In the US, they prioritize the elderly, babies, and otherwise vulnerable, but anyone else can get it.

Any one can get it here, but they prioritise vulnerable people as well, and they're the ones that are targeted and tend to go for it.  Some companies (like mine) do it as part of a scheme, but they're mostly those who are coming into direct contact with vulnerable people.  I suppose mine's offering it to me because we're all living in close quarters with each other and it's not cost effective to have us all going off sick with the flu.

I think maybe it's a cultural different between here and the US as more American people seem to be getting it, just like more American people seem to have therapy.  Stiff upper lip and all that.

Quote from: AlexanderC on September 27, 2013, 12:26:22 PM
Any one can get it here, but they prioritise vulnerable people as well, and they're the ones that are targeted and tend to go for it.  Some companies (like mine) do it as part of a scheme, but they're mostly those who are coming into direct contact with vulnerable people.  I suppose mine's offering it to me because we're all living in close quarters with each other and it's not cost effective to have us all going off sick with the flu.

I think maybe it's a cultural different between here and the US as more American people seem to be getting it, just like more American people seem to have therapy.  Stiff upper lip and all that.

Maybe it's because flu and colds are so common here in the UK it's just considered part of life, whereas in US it's like "omg teh flu!!111"?

Maybe its cultural, supposedly we're all workaholics in the USA. I go to work even if I am sick, so I get the shot so I am not puking at work. Why get sick if you don't have to?

Last year, half the office didn't get the shot, and they all got sick.and had to work anyway, meanwhile everyone who got the shot was healthy.

You do need to get it every year, but it's inexpensive and doesn't take much time to get done.

Quote from: LearnedHand on September 27, 2013, 01:00:37 PM
Maybe its cultural, supposedly we're all workaholics in the USA. I go to work even if I am sick, so I get the shot so I am not puking at work. Why get sick if you don't have to?

Last year, half the office didn't get the shot, and they all got sick.and had to work anyway, meanwhile everyone who got the shot was healthy.

You do need to get it every year, but it's inexpensive and doesn't take much time to get done.

Actually, you make an excellent point. I didn't take into account how barbaric Americas work ethic is. Over here if you're sick, you get a sick day. You get sick pay. Because it's silly to make somebody go into work sick and spread their germs, and make everybody else sick. So yeah, it makes sense. 'Murica.

Quote from: Dreams2014 on September 27, 2013, 07:09:24 AM
Tbh except for the elderly I don't know why anybody else would bother with a flu shot, don't the strains change every year?

I have coronary artery disease.  Influenza would be very taxing on my system.

Being young and strong may not be of help.  The "Spanish Flu" pandemic if 1918-1919 disproportionately killed healthy young adults (cytokine cascade).  My grandfather lost his 18-year old younger brother.

I don't really like talking about it much but I do have a respiratory condition and a variety of other physical issues that make everyday life rather painful and difficult

If I come down sick and die that just means I won't have to deal with the pain or put up with anyone's B.S. anymore

I'll probably get a flu shot this week anyway though

I got my flu shot at the VA last week along with a pneumonia booster last week. Having been in the hospital with pneumonia last winter for four days,  I am a big proponent on getting the flu shot.

Samantha

Quote from: Samantha.Stone on September 30, 2013, 04:29:24 AM
I got my flu shot at the VA last week along with a pneumonia booster last week. Having been in the hospital with pneumonia last winter for four days,  I am a big proponent on getting the flu shot.

Samantha

Good girl!

To be honest there is nothing like experience, but vaccination tries to remove that.

Does anyone want to experience Smallpox?

You can't it has been eradicated by vaccination.

It works.

Please use it.

Got my shot at the pharmacy today when I went to pick up my inhaler and such, it was practically painless, hardly felt a thing

My main concern was not so much for myself but because I don't want to be a carrier and risk infecting others
(There are several elderly folks where I live)

Last time I got a flu shot I had what appeared to be a severe asthma attack but I don't have asthma, it turns out that I've developed an allergy to eggs and flu serums are egg based. Guess I'll take my chances.

One of the questions on the questionnaire they had me fill out was if I was allergic to eggs, not sure what they do if someone is allergic

Quote from: V M on September 30, 2013, 07:32:06 PM
One of the questions on the questionnaire they had me fill out was if I was allergic to eggs, not sure what they do if someone is allergic

You only get bacon and home fries!  <running away>