Yes hormones is a normal instinct created by nature.its also part of mating habits in the wild.Smell,build *strong*,many things that attract us to what our brain tells us to.I agree to a few points on everyones opinion and i personally had no issues with them because i do not date and i do not do these things myself but WHEN i do date,i plan to be with only someone who has 100% understanding in all areas

Firstly I didnt know there was a GTA thread I've never even looked in that section, secondly I cant stand that game and wouldnt touch it with a million mile long barge pole. My gf told me something about it though in terms of something to do with MTFs in it and yes I am offended and disgusted by it. Obviously I am not an MTF but I am offended for them because it sickens me that its all made a joke of and people think its ok to do it. Only one reason why I hate that series and the company behind it. They dont deserve the money they make from the way they portray people in it. Game or not it can influence how people see things themselves. Im just so tired of it. I dont think its even about being 'sensitive' its about wanting a little respect and its not much to ask for. Anyway thats going off topic here.. Basically I dont think the media matters, its the message that it gives to people who see it

*sigh*

i hope you do realize that this is a very simplified explanation of things to people who seriously don't get it. sorry that i laugh of the humor in something that apparently 50% of trans guys find offending.

but honestly, isn't it better to have a comic where a gay guy sees trans men as men, than if it were about a not so gay guy who found himself able to date trans men because he's just a little bi? trans men actually get some recognition as their real gender in this one.

and the equipment on the shelf is probably meant for the size queens.


i'd understand it better if you got offended from a slightly longer and more in-depth explanation of things that still couldn't do better than this.

Quote from: Taka on October 07, 2013, 04:26:30 AM
*sigh*

i hope you do realize that this is a very simplified explanation of things to people who seriously don't get it. sorry that i laugh of the humor in something that apparently 50% of trans guys find offending.

but honestly, isn't it better to have a comic where a gay guy sees trans men as men, than if it were about a not so gay guy who found himself able to date trans men because he's just a little bi? trans men actually get some recognition as their real gender in this one.

and the equipment on the shelf is probably meant for the size queens.

i'd understand it better if you got offended from a slightly longer and more in-depth explanation of things that still couldn't do better than this.

Well for ME,i took the *equipment on the shelf* as to say *said didnt have bottom surgery yet* if you read the rest of the comic,he also says that in other words *some men have female parts* and its not the parts hes attracted to

I can't really say I am offended by the comic, but I don't like it, that's for sure.

In regards to the pre T thing, he mentions being interested in trans men after they have only been on T a few months. At that point there is very rarely that much physical appearance differences, and in fact that pre-T character looks the same in both panels both pre and post T, which is fairly accurate. The main things they would have at that point would be possibly some down stairs growth, if they are incredibly lucky the voice might be starting to crack, they may have acne. But no significant changes such as noticeably facial hair usually after only a few months on T. The cis gay male character is also shown as just completely ignoring the pre T guy entirely even as a friend prospect, then all of a sudden is really interested after just a few months on T.

The comic just seems to be one gay guy being as obsessed about his orientation as he perceives others to be. He seems more concerned about still being considered a "gold star gay", which IMO is just really immature and petty labeling, than about the trans men themselves being treated as men.

Quote from: FullThrottleMalehem on October 15, 2013, 11:28:38 PM
I can't really say I am offended by the comic, but I don't like it, that's for sure.

In regards to the pre T thing, he mentions being interested in trans men after they have only been on T a few months. At that point there is very rarely that much physical appearance differences, and in fact that pre-T character looks the same in both panels both pre and post T, which is fairly accurate. The main things they would have at that point would be possibly some down stairs growth, if they are incredibly lucky the voice might be starting to crack, they may have acne. But no significant changes such as noticeably facial hair usually after only a few months on T. The cis gay male character is also shown as just completely ignoring the pre T guy entirely even as a friend prospect, then all of a sudden is really interested after just a few months on T.

The comic just seems to be one gay guy being as obsessed about his orientation as he perceives others to be. He seems more concerned about still being considered a "gold star gay", which IMO is just really immature and petty labeling, than about the trans men themselves being treated as men.

I thought of the "gold star gay" as a satiric reference. From what he said in his blog ( which I don't recall), it was quite literal the thing re: noticing a guy post T. He noticed him post T, perhaps more because he just noticed him. It wasn't that the T had actually done that much.


--Jay