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Started by Natkat, October 07, 2013, 12:53:45 PM

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Natkat

I just found out one of my close friend is death. he comitted suicide. :(
I feel very angry and sad and confussed on it all, I feel I cant do anything, and disgusted for my nation cause I belive his death is due to how transgender are threated in my countrys.
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to get the story

We got to know each other on a chatsite around a year ago. we talked everyday more or less. he where mtf and I ftm He where from Norway and I from Denmark, during the time he decided he wanted to detransition.

In Denmark and Norway the only option for transgenders to transition is to go thought something called SK. its a threatment-center who deals with people of sexual problems. like people having problem with there sexlife, hypersexuals, people who are attracted to children and such things. for some strange reason transgender has to seach for permission there where we are to show up to various conversations and be jugded on everything. if we are lucky we may get permission and if not its too bad, the whole procces may take years.

its a very binary procces, where you can be refused for not being "trans enough" if your too femenine, maculine, had a diffrent kind of sexualety and all kind of stuff. many are being refused and many simple refuse to go there because they feel the threatment is humiliating or too binary to even fit them.

He had already been there as he transitioned into mtf and he hated it, We agree that insteed of him going there again he should go to a doctor I knew in Denmark which where very proffesional and nice. He helped alot of transgender people who had been refused by the SK and felt lost.

He came to Denmark a few times to get homones he been very happy. I where in doubt if detransition where the right thing to do, but after seeing his happyness I where sure it was the right choice and I knew the doctor where the right one for him.
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last month I got a mail from him that the Norwegian SK had sended him a message that he should have a meeting with them.
they gave him all kind of bull->-bleeped-<- about "NOW you are a woman! I made you a woman, you cant go back and forth, you cant be both, look how bad it can turn out" as they knew he took homones in denmark.
they said if he followed there threatment he may get the homones at there place. it would take 4-6 years of therapy maybe. He said it where ridiculous and he couldnt even be sure if he would get this permission.
I told him it where ->-bleeped-<-ed up and he shouldnt do it, but later in his mail he said he had to do it cause he feared he never would get the permission to get the homones and it would be a nightmare to be illigal for him.
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I didnt hear anything from him since them even when I kept sending him message. Last week a guy from one of the transgroups sended a message that the doctor in Denmark had been cursed with "witch-hunting" that means, the SK in Denmark wanted him to stop his threatment of transgender patients cause they dont like any doctors doing that exept themself. He been one of the last doctors in denmark who where to help, but now he also got into troubles and its indeed a big problem.
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I remember how he wrotte in his mail that he where so depressed going thought SK middleage system who where build for people with sexual issues and NOT transgenders. But he also said this doctor where his hope and how gratefull he was that he helped transgender even when he knew it where risky and the goverment may put him in trouble for it.
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after those messages I got worried and called his dad he told me the sad news that he had comitted suicide.
his dad said it happent after he got the message from SK and he probably couldnt see any hope.
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I feel so angry I feel like the goverment in my country killed my friend because the good doctors who help us transgender are previewed as criminals, and the bad guys who only care about getting money dont care about there patients at all. there only job is to see if you're man or woman enough to fit there decribtion not if you need help or not.
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I couldnt come to his funural, and I dont think I could give him the help he needed. in one message I wrotte I where sick of Denmark and just wanted to leave he said he also felt stucked in his place and he wanted to go somewhere than where he was.

I told my mom insteed of birthday present I wanted to travel. I know he liked like new york and so, I thought when he writte me again I ask him if he want to come to new york with me. unfurtunatly he never wrotte back.
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Devlyn

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Big hug. Sorry to hear about your loss. Hugs, Devlyn



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Robin Mack

*hug*  I am truly sorry for your loss.
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Confused_Katie

I'm so sorry Natkat. It is a tragedy for anyone to feel pushed to such a desperate act. I hope you are doing alright, and realize that you were a good friend to them and are still a wonderful person despite what happened. My thoughts are with you and your friend, may he rest in peace.
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Beth Andrea

*hugs*

My condolences for your loss, Natkat.
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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Taka

fan heller, førr nån jævla idiota!

ok, now i'm crying. heck my friend's friend is dead. i already knew that was likely to have happened, but i still hoped that wasn't it.

anyway. this is the reason i'm not getting anywhere with transitioning. no way i'd ever trust our national clinic. i already know i'm not trans enough, and that they've killed people this way. forced people to go all the way when they really wanted to stop, rejected people who seriously needed help. they're stuck in a mindset that has nothing to do after... i don't know, 2000 at the latest, maybe decades earlier.


those socialist bastards have ruined my country.
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Ms. OBrien CVT

I am very sorry for your loss, Natkat.

  
It does not take courage or bravery to change your gender.  It takes fear of living one more day in the wrong one.~me
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Natkat

Thanks for the comments. I sure can't and know I couldn't had done anything beside what I already done, and I still havent realized it yet.

some of the danish people I told think it the trans comunety to blame, but I dont think so. I think the danish and norwegian system for the transgenders are the once to blame. I think he where more non-binary and those people have no rights in Denmark or Norway. To get permission you must be binary. they also told him that he couldnt be a man and a woman and he had to choose.

I knew he wanted to move away and live somewhere where he could be accepted.
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mrs izzy

I'm so sorry Natkat. I know it is hard hearing this.

I have been in your same shoes to many times over these years in the loss of many great persons.

I also stood on the door steps of Hell and was lucky it did not work.

It is sad i and our community comes to feel that it is the answer to stop the pain.

It truly is not, the pain will go away if you keep fighting. Yes society has a huge factor in things.

Do we just need to roll over and let society win?

That is why i am still here, here to let others know that there is always a light in the darkness.

Hugs and please stay positive through this and if need talk to your therapist.

Izzy

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Jamie D

Quote from: Taka on October 07, 2013, 04:29:52 PM
fan heller, førr nån jævla idiota!

ok, now i'm crying. heck my friend's friend is dead. i already knew that was likely to have happened, but i still hoped that wasn't it.

anyway. this is the reason i'm not getting anywhere with transitioning. no way i'd ever trust our national clinic. i already know i'm not trans enough, and that they've killed people this way. forced people to go all the way when they really wanted to stop, rejected people who seriously needed help. they're stuck in a mindset that has nothing to do after... i don't know, 2000 at the latest, maybe decades earlier.

those socialist bastards have ruined my country.

The "nanny state" strikes again.

We really do know ourselves best.  Four to six years of state-enforced therapy?  What a nightmare,
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Taka

4-6 years is still nothing compared to never.
us non-binaries don't have any rights. but i suspect many still have lied to get somewhere they didn't really want to fully go, but felt forced to do it just because that's the only way they could get away from something worse.

the nanny state has no future. we'll meet our doom when the nannies are all dead and the kids have failed to grow up.
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Rachel

I am sorry for your loss. Please accept my condolences.

You helped your friend, I am sure.
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Darkie

*hugs tight* I am sorry for your loss.  Mine may not have died in the same manner but I know how hard it is to lose a close friend... *hugs again*
Courage is the power that turn dreams into reality.
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izzy

I feel sorry for your loss to lose a great friend.
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Bardoux

I'm so sorry to hear about your friend NatKat. Hope your ok x
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Ciara

Natkat,
I am so sorry for your loss.
Ciara.
I don't have a gender issue.
I love being a girl.



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gennee

I,m sorry about your friend, NatKat. How are you doing? Your friend really didn,t receive any help from the government.
Be who you are.
Make a difference by being a difference.   :)

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Natkat

Quote from: mind is quiet now on October 07, 2013, 04:47:45 PM
I'm so sorry Natkat. I know it is hard hearing this.
I have been in your same shoes to many times over these years in the loss of many great persons.
I also stood on the door steps of Hell and was lucky it did not work.
It is sad i and our community comes to feel that it is the answer to stop the pain.
It truly is not, the pain will go away if you keep fighting. Yes society has a huge factor in things.
Do we just need to roll over and let society win?
That is why i am still here, here to let others know that there is always a light in the darkness.
Hugs and please stay positive through this and if need talk to your therapist.
Izzy
I also already had several transgender friend who tried suicide including myself. But it never succeded luckely.
I think his situation where complicated, I do not support the suicide but I think it where understandable.
He had alot of pressure on his shoulder. the goverment had already indirrectly told him "you may never be able to transition in this country. He knew if he got the permission it would be several painfull years, and if not then it would turn back too before, he decribed that as a nightmare.
I dont want to let sociaty win, But I also get tired of fighting all the time, and I think he felt the same.
for the moment I cant really go to a therapist, I got bad experience with those, so Im lucky to have good friends to suport me since I have a paranoia about the goverment and the systems, I think it should be understand able.
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Quote from: gennee on October 08, 2013, 07:36:46 PM
I,m sorry about your friend, NatKat. How are you doing? Your friend really didn,t receive any help from the government.
I am good compared to the situation.
I dont think you notice by seing me. I still talk and laugh with my friends as casual as nothing happent, and my classmates havent commented on anything diffrent about me,
but sure im infected and in general I try to keep myself motivating so I over-work myself alittle and are pretty tired.

Even when I took a break from activism I got very political after what happent. I where also political before but now it became alot more personal. I am to paticipate in a couple of meetings. 1 of them will be debating about making campains to save this doctor my friend had and liked so this is very personal goal for me to save this doctor.

another meeting is talking about this caise alone with a woman who take up some transgender caises. I dont know if we will take it up or not, it also depends on his famely and we dont want to be seen as someone who "just use this as a political tool" But both me and my mother (who also knew him) feel the need to get out with it somehow. The problem in Scandinavia is nobody knows about the inhumane threatment, So even my mom who is very jantelaws kind of person (like she really HATE activism) want to writte to politician people how angry she is about the systems.

I also want to do alot in trying to save his doctor who did his best to save him, and be agenst the system who never did.
I used to be afraid of going agenst the system cause I know they would refuse me any right as having my gendermark changed.
Now I feel if thats how we play I dont want my gendermark change. I dont want to suport a system who dosent suport me, then it dosent matter if my country never will reconize me as 100% male, I know who I am I dont need there permission.

Thanks for everyones kind word.
I notice during this I have some awsome friends. who also been writte me privat message its good to know you have them when needed.
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Shantel

Hi NatKat!
       You know I'm just feeling miserable about your dear friend and what a shock it was for you dear. You have my very best regards in hopes that you will get past it soon, because it is so difficult to lose a good friend like that and under such a hopeless situation under the control of the state. Unfortunately we are headed for a similar situation here, the reality hasn't set in yet, but it will rest assured be likely equally oppressive for trans people.
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