Hi there girls and boys,

I have been thinking seriously, perhaps a little too much sometimes. I really hate men. I don't trust them and think they are only out for what they can get. Now why is that? I was bullied and picked on and ostracised by boys when I was young. Never picked for sports, never had any friends who were boys come around my house unless they had no one else to play with at the time and I was the last resort from boredom.

I always remember an incident from primary school at the age of about 6 when the headmaster (man) grabbed me by the arm and pulled me across the room, I never told my mum. I had been off ill and had forgotten to take my mum's letter to school and the headmaster thought I had been dogging it off school. That sticks in my mind 40+ years latter. Don't get me wrong my father was always around but never really had a close relationship with him, never went out just the two of us and never shared any kind of hobby.

Now after that background my thoughts are this.

Is it my transexual/ GID issues that I hate my male body transferred onto other males, hence I don't like them, don't trust them, don't like talking to them. Or is it my hate of males that is causing my GID? I don't like being grouped in with them so I am seeing myself as something else, ie female. or is it both and all of the above. Or it could be that I am just plain insane, lol.

I don't know if that makes any sense or I am making my feelings clear.

hugs and kisses

Nigella

I sure hated trying to be one.

It just didn't work for me.

Rhonda,

May be that's just it and I'm reading to much into my feelings about myself.

hugs and kisses

Nigella

The world is what it is because both men and women make it so. It takes both to contribute in their different ways to society, good and bad.

I never had much of a relationship with my Father, but he spent most of his time at work. As a TS I hated my Male life, but I never hated other men.

Hate is a word that also I would never apply to men. I dont understand their motives, the way they think, but I would never use the word hate in that context. To me its like saying all men are rapists or pedophiles which is totally untrue. There are bad women, like there are many, many good men.

Trust, yes that is something I would relate to men, I do distrust them, especially socially as their motives are very one track for sure.

But men make me laugh, make me feel special, treat me like a lady, buy me meals, flowers, take me to the Cinema. Granted they also infuriate me by their behaviour at times, but no I dont hate them.

The World is a better place for Men being what they are in my opinion.

Buffy

Quote from: Nigella on July 17, 2007, 04:40:45 AM
Rhonda,

May be that's just it and I'm reading to much into my feelings about myself.

hugs and kisses

Nigella

Oh, I wasn't being 'critical', hon. 

Yours just prompted that recollection and thought. 

Buffy,

Perhaps hate is to strong a word, sorry. Dislike, distrust then.

hugs and kisses

Nigella

Nigerlla


I hope what I am going to say may help you feel better about your old school Head Master. I was once a Head Master of a very large school. Regardless, of the terror and fear that we Head Masters can inspire within the young and tender of youth, we are human and we School Head Masters can make mistakes, even transsexual Head Masters. But, I believe that I am right in saying Head Masters really love their jobs because they love children, all children.


Godive,
Former Transsexual Head Master

I could live in a man free world. It's not that I have a grudge, I don't. I just have no need for men. I was never part of the male competition thing, just never felt it. I get along with women way better, as far as friends go. And I am sexually attracted to women.

It's not that I have anything against them, I just can't relate to them. I hate a lot of what goes on with men, especially when it's just men. I don't care to drink or gamble. Other than being a football fan, I don't really care for sports. I am offended when men degrade women, which is almost all the time. I know there are plenty of good guys out there, it's just that I could live in a world with only women.

Love always,
Elizabeth

Quote from: Elizabeth on July 17, 2007, 05:44:20 AM
I could live in a man free world. It's not that I have a grudge, I don't. I just have no need for men. I was never part of the male competition thing, just never felt it. I get along with women way better, as far as friends go. And I am sexually attracted to women.

It's not that I have anything against them, I just can't relate to them. I hate a lot of what goes on with men, especially when it's just men. I don't care to drink or gamble. Other than being a football fan, I don't really care for sports. I am offended when men degrade women, which is almost all the time. I know there are plenty of good guys out there, it's just that I could live in a world with only women.

Love always,
Elizabeth

Elizabeth, that's how I feel but there is a stronger feeling of distrust, etc. My point is why? Is it that I can not relate to them because of my GID or becasue of the bad relationships in the past? or perhaps both? Other transsexuals seem to be able to relate to the opposite sex fairly well. Am I being to introspective?

Hugs and kisses

Nigella

Good points here.

I lived a a man from January 4, 1983 until January 3, 2004 after I could no longer able to deal with the deaths of my mother and brother (they died three months apart in 2002.) Had I remained a man after that, I would have committed suicide.

I have been in transition to female since that time. Growing up I had more female friends than male friends.  However, because of my biological gender, I can only date cisgendered women. Following my transition, that would make me a lesbian.

Sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but that is how I see things nowadays.

I am sexually attracted to men,, but I don't like most men either.

They are the ones that usually are more cruel and confrontational and hostile toward transsexual women, at least that's how I see it.

And most of  those that are attracted to transsexuals are only interested in one thing and we all know what that is.

I just can't see anything good about men at the moment although I know that a few good men do exist.

In general, men are mostly just troubles.

I hate string beans, myself......

OK OK.......

I am afraid that I can not, not say this but you cant put all men in that same categorie.     

Quote from: Jaston on July 17, 2007, 10:38:24 AM
I am afraid that I can not, not say this but you cant put all men in that same categorie.     

I concur; one cannot universalize.

I like some men. Although they are somewhat confusing, they are a critical part of daily life. Not all men are the same just as all women are not the same. There are people, and in that we have a mixture of males and females. There are some men that are much kinder than many women I have met, and some women that are so sweet you need to visit the dentist to have your teeth cleaned before cavities set it. On the flip side society also produces aggresive cocky aholes and mean back stabbing bitches. To say "I hate men" as a general statement does not bid well. To say "I dislike many men" would probably be more accurate and much more understandable.

I can't say that I hate men, but based on persecution for being gender variant that I went through as a child, and being a victim of rape as a teenager, I distrust most men. I've made a conscious effort in my adult life to learn and understand that not all men are bad, and in fact, I now have a few men friends. Patriarchal attitudes in society is a significant issue, however one can't generalize, there are some wonderful humans out there who happen to be men.

zythyra

Quote from: Lori on July 17, 2007, 10:45:56 AM
I like some men. Although they are somewhat confusing, they are a critical part of daily life. Not all men are the same just as all women are not the same. There are people, and in that we have a mixture of males and females. There are some men that are much kinder than many women I have met, and some women that are so sweet you need to visit the dentist to have your teeth cleaned before cavities set it. On the flip side society also produces aggresive cocky aholes and mean back stabbing bitches. To say "I hate men" as a general statement does not bid well. To say "I dislike many men" would probably be more accurate and much more understandable.

I'm hetero all the way; I always have been.

It's rationally insupportable and unfair to universalize and no, I am NOT accusing ANYONE here of doing this.

I have indeed met MANY good and decent men, in my life.

Indeed, I pray that I will find such to be my husband, one fine day.

I just dislike most men. I have found a few that I like and they are very nice, but for the most part I could live without them. I was raised without a dad, but my grandfather was sort of a father figure, when he was around. I had a neighbor, when growing up, help me out with mechanical things. There were no hands raised when I needed someone to go do guy things with though. I didn't care about those things anyway, but I did want to fit in. I didn't even have any friends growing up. I had a neighbor, son of man who helped me, come over and spend time with. I think it was cause there wasn't any parental supervision in my house. I was the parent and he could do what he wanted. I was happy to have a friend (pathetic). I was also last and not wanted in sports at school. I was told that I shouldn't play little league by one of the fathers as I didn't have a father to help out. So, I really don't like men all that much. I certainly wouldn't want one kissing me. yuck
Sheila

Personally the idea of living in a world without men is something I find quite scary and I definitely don't hate them (in fact quite a few are quite gorgeous )

Just imagine all the bitching and the endless conversations about emotions and feelings; I would defnitely miss the matter of factness of men, and the way their lives are so often just very physical.  I don't understand it, but it is different and refreshing sometimes.

That said, I can understand women feeling uncomfortable with many men. They often just don't seem to act in ways that we can easily understand and so often don't communicate the same way.  It's generally so much simpler to talk with women, there are so many things you don't need to explain, things that just go as read...

And of course as a trans woman with men there is always the fear that they might reject or abuse us, because we have rejected the very manhood that they are so proud of.

MVER XXX

I know maybe I shouldn't if I'm really a woman inside, but I think men are disgusting. I should know since I've had to spend most of my life acting like one. Even when I was a child there was no way I wanted to be like the boys in our neighbourhood,  fighting and throwing stones at birds and cats wasn't my idea of fun. Nah sorry I can't fancy men - but what does that make me? Now I'm really confused. At least after reading the previous posts I know I'm not alone.
Louise