Quote from: Cindy on October 14, 2013, 02:48:00 AM
Brandon and everyone lets be understanding of men's body issues and not be rude.

Penis size is a very common 'complaint' among all men no matter their natal sex.

And as woman have said for thousand of years, size doesn't matter, it is how you use it!!!

Without making myself blush, a good lover satisfies his woman with good loving technique and I personally like a lover who cares about me rather than the size of his organ.

Cindy

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Well I haven't found a cis woman yet to think like that not everybody thinks how you think or look at things I could end up with a woman who does have a problem with it, I understand size doesn't matter but that wasn't really my question, I was curious because Ive heard that before

Quote from: chuck on October 14, 2013, 12:47:42 PM
okay
just adding my two cents as a guy who had great growth (only seen a few guys my size and maybe 1 bigger) and has had metoidoplasty AND phalloplasty, AND has had lots and lots of sex with girls  so I think I am qualified to chime in.

First of all, before surgery, I never had a girl complain about my tiny penis. I did have one girl say "that's it?" I laughed it off and said "yup".

Yes some girls want big penises, some girls want small penises (one of my partners said "yes its small so I can savor it" lol whatever) and I think a lot less women care than we guys think. Our confidence about it is a huge part of how our partner deals with it. 

I made it up in my mind to be an excellent lover (before I had a decent size penis) and can please a woman very well with things other than my penis. Sex is so much more mental for women (hope that doesnt sound sexist) but making a woman feel sexy and hot and irrestible even with a below average penis, will probably do more for her than completely ignoring her needs with an average or large penis.

Next, I think most guys have a really skewed perspective of what an average size penis is - 5.5 inches is average erect and 3.5 is average flaccid.

As far as my phalloplasty, I am happy with it, I can orgasm, my partners have been satisfied and it passes without question in the locker room.

Any way, I am not sure if t growth is genetic. I was really really fortunate with my growth and I also happen to know that my father was well endowed. Found some photos when I was rifling through my mothers desk as a kid.

But yes we are limited on the amount of growth we get because most of us did not receive the special hormonal bath when we were in the womb. This is the time when things really happen.

The best thing we can do is own what we have and use it to our advantage. Being born with such unique genitals really taught me to do other important things in bed and I am so greatful for that.

Well even though I'm young I know how to please a woman in the bed believe or not, But I still wanna feel something and penetrate my gf/wife and feel it once again, But that wasn't even my question but you would think that it still can get bigger because again theirs no real difference

They can't make it bigger because there isn't the material to do it. 

You can relate it to the Eiffel Tower in Paris and the one in Las Vegas.  The one in Vegas is half the size but otherwise the same.  Could you use everything just within the Las Vegas structure to make it the same size as the one in Paris?  Nope!  That would be impossible.

Medical advances aren't as such that the material can just be added so they can only, essentially, elongate to where it is still effective.  That's what they do with meta.  What they do with phallo is use other tissue to create a more realistic size.  But in doing this, that tissue is not the same as cis male spongy tissue and so to get that you sacrifice things like being able to get hard.

As for the ability to actually cum, I can't personally understand why that'd be necessary.  Unless you could actually produce sperm, it's somewhat pointless to me to be able to do that.

Another thing to bare in mind is that sex is NOT like porn!  In porn women can orgasm based only on penetration.  That's a lie.  The majority of women cannot orgasm on penetration on its own, they also require clitoral stimulation.  And even at that, many will never orgasm during actual penetrative sex at all and this part of the act becomes merely for the men's pleasure.  I'm trying to not get too graphic on a PG-13 forum, but women do need foreplay.  For some women you'd need to basically pleasure them first and then finish on your own.  For other women, it might be easier.  And others it may even be possible with other sex aids.  This is stuff all guys have to deal with but again, not something they'll openly talk about because the lie men like to tell themselves (and the cocky ones tell others) is that they have big dicks and easily satisfy their women.

The point is, size is more a male concern or a shallow woman's.  If we're going to be fair, maybe a more lucky woman who can orgasm more readily with penetrative sex.  Most women actually find a bigger penis stimulating sexually, but are actually afraid to have one inside them.  Guys with a bigger penis have actually been known to get reductions because they struggle to find anyone that is willing to try their size, or if they do, be able to actually take it!

Being more sensitive and intimate with a woman goes a lot further than having a big dick.  And I think you're getting ahead of yourself worrying about this stuff.  You don't know what your growth will be yet.  You don't know what your financial situation will be in the future with regards to worrying about surgery.  I'm assuming you haven't had any sexual experiences yet either, so my advice would be to slow down and try and get with the now than worry about the many, many, many years from now.

I think this applies to everyone, if a partner only likes you for sex.  If you have any self respect, you get out of that relationship.  Relationships are NOT about sex.  If someone sees your dick and laughs at it, you either close the door or step up to the challenge and show that you more than make up for it.  Make them apologise for that laugh and some!

Here's what the right partner doesn't worry about: size and cum (actually, many women hate the latter).

Here's what the wrong partner worries about: size and cum. 

Quote from: Brandon on October 14, 2013, 06:42:30 PM


Well even though I'm young I know how to please a woman in the bed believe or not, But I still wanna feel something and penetrate my gf/wife and feel it once again, But that wasn't even my question but you would think that it still can get bigger because again theirs no real difference

That's really good Brandon. Also I feel lots of things when I penetrate my partners. And the fact is, there is a difference between what we have and what a natal guy has. The factors that influence the size shape and appearance of our genitals occur before we are born. I wonder if you wouldn't benefit from a good book about fetal development. It's very fascinating stuff and might help you better understand the differences. If you have an e-reader I could pm you some good links.

Quote from: Jack_M on October 14, 2013, 07:46:26 PM


Another thing to bare in mind is that sex is NOT like porn!  In porn women can orgasm based only on penetration.  That's a lie.  The majority of women cannot orgasm on penetration on its own, they also require clitoral stimulation.  And even at that, many will never orgasm during actual penetrative sex at all and this part of the act becomes merely for the men's pleasure.  I'm trying to not get too graphic on a PG-13 forum, but women do need foreplay.  For some women you'd need to basically pleasure them first and then finish on your own.  For other women, it might be easier.  And others it may even be possible with other sex aids.  This is stuff all guys have to deal with but again, not something they'll openly talk about because the lie men like to tell themselves (and the cocky ones tell others) is that they have big dicks and easily satisfy their women.

The point is, size is more a male concern or a shallow woman's.  If we're going to be fair, maybe a more lucky woman who can orgasm more readily with penetrative sex.  Most women actually find a bigger penis stimulating sexually, but are actually afraid to have one inside them.  Guys with a bigger penis have actually been known to get reductions because they struggle to find anyone that is willing to try their size, or if they do, be able to actually take it!

Yep. I think the stats are that 75 percent can not come from penetration alone. Another statistic - the average males lasts about 3 minutes from penetration to orgasm.  I think we, like most guys, are guilty of placing far too much emphasis on our willies.

Oh I love you men. You are awesome!

Brandon can I say something as a woman who was born with a penis.

I tried to be a man with so many woman, and I failed. The reason is simple and obvious, I wasn't and I am not a man.

My biggest sex organ is between my ears, my BF knows that and I love him and desire him. From a personal point of view I don't get any physical enjoyment when he ejaculates. It is irrelevant. I don't care at all what size he is.

Men sometimes (crudely) say that any more than a handful is all they want in a woman's breasts and yes many women say they want larger breasts but body image is a total different thing to performance.

Being a respectful loving man, who knows what being a man should be your aim.

There are men in this thread who totally exemplify what being a MAN is in this modern world.

Men are awesome. They are the pillars and the foundation. They are the people who live their life with strength and humility. But they need neither. They care. Yes there are many flawed men. There are many flawed women.

But being a man has nothing to do with the size of his organ, it is about being a man.

You are a boy, please listen and learn how to be a man.

My Love

Cindy

Ciswoman were/are my friends a lot of them say that the size is pretty much overrated. Some women like the feeling which I think might be met by a toy. Loving and caring can't be met this way. Most of the nerve endings are at the top anyway. And almost nobody can orgasm from penetration alone anyway. I agree that there is a lot of wisdom on this board and you have brought a lot of this out trying to talk to with you about all sorts of things. I hope you can stop fighting this and start listening. People's attitudes about trans guys are pretty much positive about 80% of the time. So you have reason to be optimistic about your life and so on. I know things are difficult as a teen. My dad told me it was the best years of my life. I hate to say this but he was definitely lying. I was never happy as a teen. But I am having a pretty good life.

--Jay

Quote from: Jack_M on October 14, 2013, 07:46:26 PM
They can't make it bigger because there isn't the material to do it. 

You can relate it to the Eiffel Tower in Paris and the one in Las Vegas.  The one in Vegas is half the size but otherwise the same.  Could you use everything just within the Las Vegas structure to make it the same size as the one in Paris?  Nope!  That would be impossible.

Medical advances aren't as such that the material can just be added so they can only, essentially, elongate to where it is still effective.  That's what they do with meta.  What they do with phallo is use other tissue to create a more realistic size.  But in doing this, that tissue is not the same as cis male spongy tissue and so to get that you sacrifice things like being able to get hard.

As for the ability to actually cum, I can't personally understand why that'd be necessary.  Unless you could actually produce sperm, it's somewhat pointless to me to be able to do that.

Another thing to bare in mind is that sex is NOT like porn!  In porn women can orgasm based only on penetration.  That's a lie.  The majority of women cannot orgasm on penetration on its own, they also require clitoral stimulation.  And even at that, many will never orgasm during actual penetrative sex at all and this part of the act becomes merely for the men's pleasure.  I'm trying to not get too graphic on a PG-13 forum, but women do need foreplay.  For some women you'd need to basically pleasure them first and then finish on your own.  For other women, it might be easier.  And others it may even be possible with other sex aids.  This is stuff all guys have to deal with but again, not something they'll openly talk about because the lie men like to tell themselves (and the cocky ones tell others) is that they have big dicks and easily satisfy their women.

The point is, size is more a male concern or a shallow woman's.  If we're going to be fair, maybe a more lucky woman who can orgasm more readily with penetrative sex.  Most women actually find a bigger penis stimulating sexually, but are actually afraid to have one inside them.  Guys with a bigger penis have actually been known to get reductions because they struggle to find anyone that is willing to try their size, or if they do, be able to actually take it!

Being more sensitive and intimate with a woman goes a lot further than having a big dick.  And I think you're getting ahead of yourself worrying about this stuff.  You don't know what your growth will be yet.  You don't know what your financial situation will be in the future with regards to worrying about surgery.  I'm assuming you haven't had any sexual experiences yet either, so my advice would be to slow down and try and get with the now than worry about the many, many, many years from now.

I think this applies to everyone, if a partner only likes you for sex.  If you have any self respect, you get out of that relationship.  Relationships are NOT about sex.  If someone sees your dick and laughs at it, you either close the door or step up to the challenge and show that you more than make up for it.  Make them apologise for that laugh and some!

Here's what the right partner doesn't worry about: size and cum (actually, many women hate the latter).

Here's what the wrong partner worries about: size and cum.

I agree and already know most of the stuff you said, Trust me I know a woman needs foreplay to orgasm, And it's not like I said I want nine inches no I just wanna be average 5 or 6 inches max that's it, And yes I have messed around with girls, But close were on hence why I know so much and also because I listen to womens wants and needs to no what I need to work on before that time comes

Quote from: chuck on October 15, 2013, 02:49:27 AM
That's really good Brandon. Also I feel lots of things when I penetrate my partners. And the fact is, there is a difference between what we have and what a natal guy has. The factors that influence the size shape and appearance of our genitals occur before we are born. I wonder if you wouldn't benefit from a good book about fetal development. It's very fascinating stuff and might help you better understand the differences. If you have an e-reader I could pm you some good links.

Nah I just know their is no real biological difference yea if we talk about transguys thats different or sperm but other then that they both get hard and is made from the same thing just made for different purposes

Quote from: chuck on October 15, 2013, 03:01:51 AM
Yep. I think the stats are that 75 percent can not come from penetration alone. Another statistic - the average males lasts about 3 minutes from penetration to orgasm.  I think we, like most guys, are guilty of placing far too much emphasis on our willies.

Lol I tend to do that a lot, I think if women weren't so picky and didn't care about size then that would lower the insecurities about penis size, But don't get it twisted know that's not my main thing that I'm focused on thats all I wanna do is make a girl happy but not just loving and caring for her out of the room but I wanna be able to do that in the room to

Quote from: Jack_M on October 14, 2013, 07:46:26 PM
They can't make it bigger because there isn't the material to do it. 

You can relate it to the Eiffel Tower in Paris and the one in Las Vegas.  The one in Vegas is half the size but otherwise the same.  Could you use everything just within the Las Vegas structure to make it the same size as the one in Paris?  Nope!  That would be impossible.

Medical advances aren't as such that the material can just be added so they can only, essentially, elongate to where it is still effective.  That's what they do with meta.  What they do with phallo is use other tissue to create a more realistic size.  But in doing this, that tissue is not the same as cis male spongy tissue and so to get that you sacrifice things like being able to get hard.

As for the ability to actually cum, I can't personally understand why that'd be necessary.  Unless you could actually produce sperm, it's somewhat pointless to me to be able to do that.

Another thing to bare in mind is that sex is NOT like porn!  In porn women can orgasm based only on penetration.  That's a lie.  The majority of women cannot orgasm on penetration on its own, they also require clitoral stimulation.  And even at that, many will never orgasm during actual penetrative sex at all and this part of the act becomes merely for the men's pleasure.  I'm trying to not get too graphic on a PG-13 forum, but women do need foreplay.  For some women you'd need to basically pleasure them first and then finish on your own.  For other women, it might be easier.  And others it may even be possible with other sex aids.  This is stuff all guys have to deal with but again, not something they'll openly talk about because the lie men like to tell themselves (and the cocky ones tell others) is that they have big dicks and easily satisfy their women.

The point is, size is more a male concern or a shallow woman's.  If we're going to be fair, maybe a more lucky woman who can orgasm more readily with penetrative sex.  Most women actually find a bigger penis stimulating sexually, but are actually afraid to have one inside them.  Guys with a bigger penis have actually been known to get reductions because they struggle to find anyone that is willing to try their size, or if they do, be able to actually take it!

Being more sensitive and intimate with a woman goes a lot further than having a big dick.  And I think you're getting ahead of yourself worrying about this stuff.  You don't know what your growth will be yet.  You don't know what your financial situation will be in the future with regards to worrying about surgery.  I'm assuming you haven't had any sexual experiences yet either, so my advice would be to slow down and try and get with the now than worry about the many, many, many years from now.

I think this applies to everyone, if a partner only likes you for sex.  If you have any self respect, you get out of that relationship.  Relationships are NOT about sex.  If someone sees your dick and laughs at it, you either close the door or step up to the challenge and show that you more than make up for it.  Make them apologise for that laugh and some!

Here's what the right partner doesn't worry about: size and cum (actually, many women hate the latter).

Here's what the wrong partner worries about: size and cum.

I find being able to cum nessicarily, Women cum to and they don't produce sperm, May not be important to you but it's to me

Quote from: Brandon on October 15, 2013, 03:44:31 PM

Lol I tend to do that a lot, I think if women weren't so picky and didn't care about size then that would lower the insecurities about penis size

But Brandon, most women are NOT picky about size. Maybe this is something all of us guys who are trying to give advice are forgetting. WOMEN do no get caught up about size - girls on the other hand, (who have no idea what 8 inches feels like inside their bodies) probably feign obsession about getting a big penis. I am not entirely sure since I didnt spend enough time around girls when I was younger. These girls want to sound cool so they talk about how important or cool it is to have a boyfriend with a big penis and I guess its a part of peer pressure. 

Brandon - give it another few years and these girls will be singing a totally different tune.

On the topic at hand - there is a difference between ftm guys penis and natal guys penis. Maybe check out the wikipedia page about penises and you can see that there are a few different structures inside the penis that most of us dont have. Also on topic, i think its a actually an interesting question, do genetics matter for us? It would be cool to hear from guys who ended up larger or smaller and who know the endowment of their father's. Not an easy task i suppose.

Not a scientist, or at least not that kind of scientist (I'm a computer scientist), but I'm pretty sure genetics has a huge roll in penis size, maybe even an exclusive roll, when it comes to cis guys, so I imagine it also plays a huge roll in how much a trans guy grows on T. It's not a muscle, after all. It's not like we can play a lot of sports or work out and make it grow. I'm pretty sure it comes down to genetics.

Quote from: chuck on October 15, 2013, 03:58:25 PM
But Brandon, most women are NOT picky about size. Maybe this is something all of us guys who are trying to give advice are forgetting. WOMEN do no get caught up about size - girls on the other hand, (who have no idea what 8 inches feels like inside their bodies) probably feign obsession about getting a big penis. I am not entirely sure since I didnt spend enough time around girls when I was younger. These girls want to sound cool so they talk about how important or cool it is to have a boyfriend with a big penis and I guess its a part of peer pressure. 

Brandon - give it another few years and these girls will be singing a totally different tune.

On the topic at hand - there is a difference between ftm guys penis and natal guys penis. Maybe check out the wikipedia page about penises and you can see that there are a few different structures inside the penis that most of us dont have. Also on topic, i think its a actually an interesting question, do genetics matter for us? It would be cool to hear from guys who ended up larger or smaller and who know the


endowment of their father's. Not an easy task i suppose.

A transguy has told me that before on another sight it seemed like it would play apart in that, And dude I'm not asking for 8 inches try 5 or 6 lol cuz that's just nasty

Quote from: Brandon on October 15, 2013, 03:56:44 PM


I find being able to cum nessicarily, Women cum to and they don't produce sperm, May not be important to you but it's to me

A lot of people equate the term "cum" to mean "ejaculate" which is probably where the confusion is coming from here. Unless you mean when some women can "squirt", which is pretty rare, and from what I've heard takes practice. It might help remembering that this is a multinational community so words mean different things to different people, like when you say pants I think of boxers.

As for the penis, I'm just going to echo what everyone else has said about women not caring that much at all. In fact, when me and my girlfriend were shopping for a strap on we ended up buying a starter anal set because the rest were just terrifying to even imagine. It was a set of two, but the larger one (still within what's pretty much the average of flesh penis I think and smaller than most strap ons) never gets used in seriousness. The other one does the job more than adequately and feels a lot more natural for both of us.