Quote from: Miyuki on October 17, 2013, 04:41:55 AM
Hmm... I guess if you just go by the face I might do alright, but considering I'm 6ft. tall, don't have much of a figure to speak of, don't talk with a female voice, and don't dress like a girl, I think I'm still pretty decidedly in androgynous territory. But, it is good to know that if I worked on those things I wouldn't have to worry about my face too much.
To be honest, I did do some work on my eyebrows, but I've been doing that for a long time. Even before I started anti-androgens. They sort of start to grow into each other if I don't keep them managed.

Don't worry about being 6"... I'm 6" . Yes, we're tall, but it's a completely fine height. I'm sure you've noticed that 6" girls are far from uncommon. In fact, you may have noticed that the taller girls have a different kind of confidence about them that comes with the height. My therapist tells me that I'll eventually learn that same thing. As for the rest, while voice does some take some time and effort to develop, the clothes can change pretty quickly. You've an outstanding starting point, and your face will work wonders for you. .

Quote from: Miyuki on October 17, 2013, 04:41:55 AM
As for the nose... I could take a side profile picture to more fully illustrate the problem, but I'd rather not. I guess realistically there are women out there with noses that size (my mom being one of them), but I'd still like to get some work done on it. It would make me feel better about my appearance if nothing else.

I totally understand the inward motivation to do something about aspects that you feel stand out. Please just be mindful that I've never met a GG that doesn't have issues/dislikes over something ( or many things ) about their bodies or appearance. We're no different... I wasn't thrilled with my nose either, but it has improved with HRT due to fuller cheeks which give it a kind of balance... You may find the same happens for you over time.

Quote from: SammyRose on October 17, 2013, 05:53:03 AM
Don't worry about being 6"... I'm 6" . Yes, we're tall, but it's a completely fine height. I'm sure you've noticed that 6" girls are far from uncommon. In fact, you may have noticed that the taller girls have a different kind of confidence about them that comes with the height. My therapist tells me that I'll eventually learn that same thing. As for the rest, while voice does some take some time and effort to develop, the clothes can change pretty quickly. You've an outstanding starting point, and your face will work wonders for you. .

Thanks, that's actually really reassuring.

Quote from: SammyRose on October 17, 2013, 05:53:03 AMI totally understand the inward motivation to do something about aspects that you feel stand out. Please just be mindful that I've never met a GG that doesn't have issues/dislikes over something ( or many things ) about their bodies or appearance. We're no different... I wasn't thrilled with my nose either, but it has improved with HRT due to fuller cheeks which give it a kind of balance... You may find the same happens for you over time.

I still have a lot of baggage on the issue of my appearance, as I didn't get a lot of positive feedback on it while growing up. But I am at least aware on a conscious level that I have some decent potential as far as transitioning goes. There are just a few things that bug me, like my nose, or my chin. Or the fact my brow ridge/Adam's apple, while definitely on the small side, are visible to the naked eye under the right lighting conditions. Strictly speaking, none of these things are bad enough to stop me from passing, but if I do decide to go through with a full transition, I would like to be confident that no one could really tell. Being trans-gendered isn't always the easiest label to wear, and I'd really prefer if people saw me as a girl and nothing more.

Miyuki, I think you do well for presenting androgynous - I am sure that you are already gendered female at least part of the time on visuals.

Quote from: SammyRose on October 17, 2013, 05:53:03 AM
I totally understand the inward motivation to do something about aspects that you feel stand out. Please just be mindful that I've never met a GG that doesn't have issues/dislikes over something ( or many things ) about their bodies or appearance. We're no different...

Well we are different in one aspect. We tie such aspects not to being ugly or even to being inadequate as women but we tie it to something that is much larger than that. To all the years of gender dysphoria, to not being just inadequate as women but to not actually be seen as normal women at all in some instances. We dont fear that people may not find us attractive or too masculine, we fear that people will treat us as transwomen or as men, which is just not what many of us want. I think this has to be acknowledged - that the background is subtantially different as in other women. Even those who seek nose corrections or other plastic surgery don't do this because they would otherwise fear of being actually seen as a male or as a transsexual, but because they may be treated differently because of a difference in beauty. I dont want to dismiss the feelings of need in these other women, but I believe it is a difference and even if there would be not, to say that for us it is "just as with other women" still would mean that for many doing such things is something they feel they need enough to actually do these things.

Here I go >3<

Yes, I think it is your Destiny indeed cutie;)

You look seriously there even with ears on!

Mmmm.... In normal clothing I have no more worries about my female appearance, but... I already posted this in RLE. This is my gym aspect, since tomorrow I've been allowed to use the women's changing room and the manager thinks it will be safer for me than the males.


 



5.5 months HRT.


How do you see it? I'm not very convinced about sleeveless tops, despite already having a considerable muscle reduction and weighting less than a lot of women of my age.

Don't worry about it, you look like an athletic woman, nothing wrong with that
Yeah, sure, there's still a little masculinity left, but I wouldn't expect it to all go away. Everyone has a few traits of the opposite, and thankfully you didn't get anything bad.
Point short, you look great, dearie, don't let anyone, especially yourself, tell you otherwise.

Depending on the gym, some of the women are looking more masculine than lot of the transwomen here. In part because the goal of some is to actually get more muscular, in part I guess because some do phamaceuticals. There was one on TV yesterday - she had huge muscles and it was some kind of game show where she needed that. Her face looked quite a bit more masculine than the pics posted in this thread, I am rather sure that she was injecting something.
Gym clothes are weird because they show parts of us that are not feminine, but then they also show parts that are clearly female, like any natural breasts (not padded) will easily show ..

Quote from: Apple Sprout on October 18, 2013, 03:10:44 PM
Mmmm.... In normal clothing I have no more worries about my female appearance, but... I already posted this in RLE. This is my gym aspect, since tomorrow I've been allowed to use the women's changing room and the manager thinks it will be safer for me than the males.


5.5 months HRT.


How do you see it? I'm not very convinced about sleeveless tops, despite already having a considerable muscle reduction and weighting less than a lot of women of my age.

You look fairly female already for just 5.5 months on HRT, it will get better as time goes by. There's no way you could get away with changing in the men's room so forget that idea. Eventually some of your skinniness will give way to an even softer and more girly look and you'll feel better in sleeveless tops. 

Quote from: Paige0000 on October 07, 2013, 04:56:39 AM
Well I doubt I pass yet (haven't been on hormones for very long) but still I thought I might post anyway to see what you girls think

Okay. I failed transitioning now. I'll just go and find a bridge tonight. I'm at 8 months E and nothing has happened.

Quote from: Sara on October 19, 2013, 06:06:15 PMOkay. I failed transitioning now. I'll just go and find a bridge tonight. I'm at 8 months E and nothing has happened.

E affects everyone differently. Usually it's about 2 years before the full affects set in. Hang in there, you could just be a late bloomer.

Quote from: Willow on October 19, 2013, 07:11:42 PM
E affects everyone differently. Usually it's about 2 years before the full affects set in. Hang in there, you could just be a late bloomer.

This is where I'm at right now, 8 months of E:



I want honest opinions. I do not want to hear any sugar-coated, fluffy responses. Just pure honesty.





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Sara, I think you look very andro - tending female.

I think the shape of your face is not typical for males, so that's a huge bonus to you without anything else. The most male-like aspect I see from your photo is your chin, but again with the shape of your face and neck, it's not something I think you need to worry about. A photo from a side on angle would help to confirm that. Otherwise your skin and eye structure look great.

My only suggestions are: smiling , and learning how to soften your chin with a little sculpting.

Also, please consider different tops. Those small crew necklines are not going to do you any favours. Showing a little more neck and shoulders can really add balance.

PS. Love the hair, looks very naturally thick.

Quote from: Sara on October 19, 2013, 07:46:34 PM
This is where I'm at right now, 8 months of E:



I want honest opinions. I do not want to hear any sugar-coated, fluffy responses. Just pure honesty.

Sara,
    You have a female head, neck and face. Small feminine jawline and a hell of a lot more potential then 80% of us here, so forget the bridge and continue on with the HRT. Are you under supervised hormonal care and taking testosterone blockers? If you are crying about a lack of physical development don't waste your tears. I had minimal development my first ten years, it was pathetic but eventually everything clicks into place.




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Quote from: Shantel on October 19, 2013, 08:02:48 PM
Sara,
    You have a female head, neck and face. Small feminine jawline and a hell of a lot more potential then 80% of us here, so forget the bridge and continue on with the HRT. Are you under supervised hormonal care and taking testosterone blockers? If you are crying about a lack of physical development don't waste your tears. I had minimal development my first ten years, it was pathetic but eventually everything clicks into place.




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I've been on a T blocking implant since June of last year. My most recent blood test showed it was still working, too. Though my endo appointments are few and far between, about every six months.

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Sara you are looking very feminine already    It just takes time for the full effects of HRT to take place

Be patient 

Sara, I agree with comments above. You have an androgynous appearance tending strongly towards female. Your skin and cheekbones are very fine and your lips beautiful. Possibly a little makeup and a smile might take you a long way past any doubt at this early stage. But I wonder if your original comment about the length of time you've been on HRT and believing you have "failed transition" means you have greater concerns. I can't tell by the photo but are you referring to  other developments like breast growth? Most cis women take more than two years to properly develop their breasts and some have small breasts well into their late teens, early twenties. For many of us trans women it is no different... frustrating I know, but a bit of padding in the early stages never hurt.

Quote from: Grace_C on October 19, 2013, 10:36:46 PMSara, I agree with comments above. You have an androgynous appearance tending strongly towards female. Your skin and cheekbones are very fine and your lips beautiful. Possibly a little makeup and a smile might take you a long way past any doubt at this early stage. But I wonder if your original comment about the length of time you've been on HRT and believing you have "failed transition" means you have greater concerns. I can't tell by the photo but are you referring to  other developments like breast growth? Most cis women take more than two years to properly develop their breasts and some have small breasts well into their late teens, early twenties. For many of us trans women it is no different... frustrating I know, but a bit of padding in the early stages never hurt.

If you wait it out two years and it fails to show promising growth, there's always the option of breast enhancement, and, as I've read, many insurance providers will cover it if breast growth under hormones is not promising after 2 years.

We're our own worst critic, especially with us transpeople, always worried that one little deviation from "the norm" will throw us out, in reality, cispeople may have more deviations from "said norm" than we do.

Quote from: Willow on October 20, 2013, 12:14:29 AM
If you wait it out two years and it fails to show promising growth, there's always the option of breast enhancement, and, as I've read, many insurance providers will cover it if breast growth under hormones is not promising after 2 years.

We're our own worst critic, especially with us transpeople, always worried that one little deviation from "the norm" will throw us out, in reality, cispeople may have more deviations from "said norm" than we do.

You look lovely and if I saw you on the street I'd think you were a pretty-though somewhat sad -looking woman.

I completely agree with Willow, everyone has features that seem characteristic of the opposite sex. And women come in all different shapes and forms. Luckily for you, your shape includes great cheekbones

Quote from: Willow on October 20, 2013, 12:14:29 AMWe're our own worst critic, especially with us transpeople, always worried that one little deviation from "the norm" will throw us out, in reality, cispeople may have more deviations from "said norm" than we do.

This should be printed out and hung up in every trans person's home.

Sara - you got quite the androgynous face, I would address you as female if you had any indicators (anything from makeup to clothes) that you were so, for sure. And you look so young! Give yourself some time to bloom