Brandon,
"Judge not" has been widely misunderstood.
A Christian is commanded to go into the world and share their faith. Not to beat people over the head but to share the light of life within them when asked.

When it comes to sin and abomination they are commanded to reprove, rebuke and exhort. Show err, teach truth and give a hope. All three parts.

When a Christian manifests that which is wrong they are not judging. They are passing on the truth and allowing the person who hears them to decide who is right.

It is the Lord who judges from the communication of the two involved.

Love is warning people of impending danger such as a bridge that is out or even hell.

I hope this helps with this area of a matter widely misunderstood.

Quote from: Chaos on October 19, 2013, 10:32:58 PM
Im sorry to tell you,he judges ALL sin in front of his throne and all at the same time.No sin is greater then the other so a murderer doesnt get judged before a liar but at the same time.And i will say this again and if you are unwilling to listen then i will post some things for you from his own mouth.Gods word goes beyond the physical body and so do we as followers.Even if being transgender was a defect,it still surpass's the physical and the body should never be singled out when it comes to this *abomination* call it the will of God but regardless,you can NOT claim that it is ok for a transgender person to commit in physical sins *because they have a *defect* while condeming everyone else.

No he will not judge a lier because everything that comes out of your mouth will be a lie, Read the bible its in their he's just gonna tell you to depart from me, And as far as being trans I'm not having sex before I'm married nor will I do anything in this physicall body so technically no unless your comfortable enough to that but at the moment I'm not, I may be young but I have alot of wisdom and knowlage

Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2013, 09:36:03 PM
I understand that, But God hates the sin not the sinner...I don't think homosexuaility should be considered that but unfortunately it's Yes I feel that people should love whom ever they want but I don't think thoes were Gods intentions

Hi Brandon!

First I understand how difficult it can be to reconcile your religious beliefs with your identity. I think a lot of people go through that and Malachite was kind enough to point me towards the resources found in the Christianity section to help me make sense of them.

I think you've sort of answered your own question when you said God hates the sin not the sinner. This means that the Lord in his infinite wisdom is the only one who can determine what is actually a sin. Yes, we are given guidelines in His word but when it comes to topics where there is a lot left to interpretation-this topic for example-I don't think we can determine what "God's intentions" are. When in doubt, pray on it. If your beliefs remain the same that's fine but I'm glad you're seeking other opinions before you do so.

Quote from: Del on October 19, 2013, 10:36:14 PM
Brandon,
"Judge not" has been widely misunderstood.
A Christian is commanded to go into the world and share their faith. Not to beat people over the head but to share the light of life within them when asked.

When it comes to sin and abomination they are commanded to reprove, rebuke and exhort. Show err, teach truth and give a hope. All three parts.

When a Christian manifests that which is wrong they are not judging. They are passing on the truth and allowing the person who hears them to decide who is right.

It is the Lord who judges from the communication of the two involved.

Love is warning people of impending danger such as a bridge that is out or even hell.

I hope this helps with this area of a matter widely misunderstood.
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That's true alot of people don't get that

Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2013, 10:29:46 PM


Jugding is in oppion and its not jugding if you know it's wrong, Regardless I'm still not condoning your sin knoow will I flat out point at you and say our going to hell no, But if you ask for my oppion, I'm not gonna surgar coat it

You feel *judging* is in opinion? i thought this was a topic about being a Christian and a follower of God and said views on accepting being gay? How is *judging* now suddenly up to personal opinion and not to be followed from his word? Ironic.Here is some information for you

Matthew 7:1-5 ESV
"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.*

John 7:24 ESV
Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment."*

James 4:12 ESV
There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?*

Matthew 7:5 ESV
You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye*

John 8:7 ESV
And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her."*

Quote from: Shaina on October 19, 2013, 10:42:39 PM
Hi Brandon!

First I understand how difficult it can be to reconcile your religious beliefs with your identity. I think a lot of people go through that and Malachite was kind enough to point me towards the resources found in the Christianity section to help me make sense of them.

I think you've sort of answered your own question when you said God hates the sin not the sinner. This means that the Lord in his infinite wisdom is the only one who can determine what is actually a sin. Yes, we are given guidelines in His word but when it comes to topics where there is a lot left to interpretation-this topic for example-I don't think we can determine what "God's intentions" are. When in doubt, pray on it. If your beliefs remain the same that's fine but I'm glad you're seeking other opinions before you do so.

I agree 100% with everything you said

Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2013, 10:40:37 PM
No he will not judge a lier because everything that comes out of your mouth will be a lie, Read the bible its in their he's just gonna tell you to depart from me, And as far as being trans I'm not having sex before I'm married nor will I do anything in this physicall body so technically no unless your comfortable enough to that but at the moment I'm not, I may be young but I have alot of wisdom and knowlage

LOL oh so you think that when a *liar* stands before him and says *lies* that hes just going to tell them to *depart from me?* and what will he say to the rest of the bad people? And do you feel that *not doing anything physically* condones you condeming another because of what they do with their body?

Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2013, 10:22:47 PM

Yea but being trans is a birth defect, though and God said nothing about transgenders in the bible though, God does look at the heart but two men being together verses fixing a birth defect are two seperate things

Even if it is just a birth defect does it really justify pumping yourself up with hormones and going through surgeries? I think you should search your soul about these feelings you have towards gay people. I once believed like you but then I realized why I was feeling the way I was feeling was because I was afraid to face the truth about myself.
look at it this way Brandon did you choose to like women? Somehow I bet you didn't, like I didn't have a choice to like men it's just who we are. It's the same way for gay people they didn't choose who they were attracted to they sure didn't want to be shunned by their families and community's. We didn't have a choice in our gender identity like they didn't have a choice in the sex they were attracted too.     

You dont have to agree with anything you dont believe in. That being said, you do have to live with having your hypocritical beliefs challenged because like it or not they are just that-hypocritical.

You say you were born female but identify as male and heterosexual...but how you identify is irrelevant in the bible. Genesis 1:27 states "God created mankind in his own image,in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them." and it is common knowledge (at least growing up in a southern radical Christian family it was stated constantly) that God does not make mistakes. Science can challenge that as there are children born with mental disabilities and physical abnormalities every day but I digress. If you are as religious as you say you are then you wouldn't be identifying as transgender. You would know you are committing a sin and an atrocity by disregarding the fact that you were born female and for all biological purposes are currently female.

Maybe you should try being honest with yourself because what I'm getting from you is a lot of self hatred being projected outwards onto things that you think a bio-conservative christian male would be against to make up for the fact that you arent one, and feel the need to reassure yourself that what you're doing is okay in the eyes of the lord.

Quote from: Chaos on October 19, 2013, 10:45:03 PM
You feel *judging* is in opinion? i thought this was a topic about being a Christian and a follower of God and said views on accepting being gay? How is *judging* now suddenly up to personal opinion and not to be followed from his word? Ironic.Here is some information for you

Matthew 7:1-5 ESV
"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.*

John 7:24 ESV
Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment."*

James 4:12 ESV
There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?*

Matthew 7:5 ESV
You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye*

John 8:7 ESV
And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her."*

Ive read all those scriptures already you told me that I'm judging gays if I'm not correct, That's why I said jugding is an oppion it doesn't make it true, If I call you ugly that's what I think theirfore it's my oppion doesn't mean it's true, But their is enough evidence in the bible that proves this point that I'm getting at, Read KJV,  Again I don't have a problem with gay people I actually have gay an bi friends but again I'm not condoning their sin just as well as a liers or a fornicaters because I know alot of thoes to

Quote from: Chaos on October 19, 2013, 10:47:33 PM
LOL oh so you think that when a *liar* stands before him and says *lies* that hes just going to tell them to *depart from me?* and what will he say to the rest of the bad people? And do you feel that *not doing anything physically* condones you condeming another because of what they do with their body?

Your laughing but it's true

Quote from: Heather on October 19, 2013, 10:49:03 PM
Even if it is just a birth defect does it really justify pumping yourself up with hormones and going through surgeries? I think you should search your soul about these feelings you have towards gay people. I once believed like you but then I realized why I was feeling the way I was feeling was because I was afraid to face the truth about myself.
look at it this way Brandon did you choose to like women? Somehow I bet you didn't, like I didn't have a choice to like men it's just who we are. It's the same way for gay people they didn't choose who they were attracted to they sure didn't want to be shunned by their families and community's. We didn't have a choice in our gender identity like they didn't have a choice in the sex they were attracted too.   

Yea but their are such things as demons and everyone has them, I know why I have these feelings because I know it's wrong lol

Quote from: ttim0324 on October 19, 2013, 10:50:31 PM
You dont have to agree with anything you dont believe in. That being said, you do have to live with having your hypocritical beliefs challenged because like it or not they are just that-hypocritical.

You say you were born female but identify as male and heterosexual...but how you identify is irrelevant in the bible. Genesis 1:27 states "God created mankind in his own image,in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them." and it is common knowledge (at least growing up in a southern radical Christian family it was stated constantly) that God does not make mistakes. Science can challenge that as there are children born with mental disabilities and physical abnormalities every day but I digress. If you are as religious as you say you are then you wouldn't be identifying as transgender. You would know you are committing a sin and an atrocity by disregarding the fact that you were born female and for all biological purposes are currently female.

Maybe you should try being honest with yourself because what I'm getting from you is a lot of self hatred being projected outwards onto things that you think a bio-conservative christian male would be against to make up for the fact that you arent one, and feel the need to reassure yourself that what you're doing is okay in the eyes of the lord.

This is very true.Very well put and couldnt have said it better myself.I know that if many put away the *religion* and just learned to love people,just as it states to do-then things like this wouldnt happen or be said.And loving yourself the same as well.I do not see myself as *religious* personally and i believe that being transgender is who God made me *wont go into that* but i have a very big open heart,accepting of all and regardless of their flaws and that God demands that kind of thing from those who love him.But i also disgress.I will take my leave from this topic and hope for the best.

Quote from: ttim0324 on October 19, 2013, 10:50:31 PM
You dont have to agree with anything you dont believe in. That being said, you do have to live with having your hypocritical beliefs challenged because like it or not they are just that-hypocritical.

You say you were born female but identify as male and heterosexual...but how you identify is irrelevant in the bible. Genesis 1:27 states "God created mankind in his own image,in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them." and it is common knowledge (at least growing up in a southern radical Christian family it was stated constantly) that God does not make mistakes. Science can challenge that as there are children born with mental disabilities and physical abnormalities every day but I digress. If you are as religious as you say you are then you wouldn't be identifying as transgender. You would know you are committing a sin and an atrocity by disregarding the fact that you were born female and for all biological purposes are currently female.

Maybe you should try being honest with yourself because what I'm getting from you is a lot of self hatred being projected outwards onto things that you think a bio-conservative christian male would be against to make up for the fact that you arent one, and feel the need to reassure yourself that what you're doing is okay in the eyes of the lord.

I am being honest with myself, I new I was never female at five years old, God also says that he looks at the heart again if you read the bible it says nothing about being transgender, And no my veiws arent hypocrytical your just obviously offended by it like a couple of others here

Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2013, 10:55:20 PM


Yea but their are such things as demons and everyone has them, I know why I have these feelings because I know it's wrong lol

Brandon I would really suggest you look at these feelings before moving forward in your transition I'm seeing a lot of self projection in your words. I think you should search your soul and figure out are you a man because that's who you are, or are you looking for a way to justify your attraction towards women? I say this because I had to explore the same thing before I moved forward and maybe you too.

Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2013, 10:58:13 PM

I am being honest with myself, I new I was never female at five years old, God also says that he looks at the heart again if you read the bible it says nothing about being transgender

I'm sorry to break this to you but you are female and from a biological standpoint you will always be female, regardless of how you identify. If you want to play word semantics, no the bible does not use the word transgender but it has been more than alluded to, specifically in Deuteronomy 22:5 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God".

(Sorry if this post offends anyone. Just trying to get a point across! I imagine everyone who has accepted their identity wont take offense to this.)

Quote from: Malachite on October 19, 2013, 10:35:41 PM
A true believer can never lose their salvation, therefore a true believe IS exempt from hell.   I have tons of Bible verses that proves that.  I don't believe that a true believer MUST repent of their sins to be saved or stay saved.

I have to disagree Jesus died for are sins for a reason, And that he'd forgive us I don't know how many times in a day because he knows that were not perfect, No on is exempt from hell because The son of of God doesn't know the time or our for his returning, He can crack the clouds right know if he wanted to he bible also says hell has enlargended itself..... I wonder why because so many people are gonna be lost and deny the truth, But I'm going to stop because I don't wanna get banned

Quote from: ttim0324 on October 19, 2013, 11:06:27 PM
I'm sorry to break this to you but you are female and from a biological standpoint you will always be female, regardless of how you identify. If you want to play word semantics, no the bible does not use the word transgender but it has been more than alluded to, specifically in Deuteronomy 22:5 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God".

(Sorry if this post offends anyone. Just trying to get a point across! I imagine everyone who has accepted their identity wont take offense to this.)

That's to someone who Identifys as female though, My idenity is male so no I'm not a female, My genetalia doesn't determine hence why the only reason you believe that

Quote from: Heather on October 19, 2013, 11:05:11 PM
Brandon I would really suggest you look at these feelings before moving forward in your transition I'm seeing a lot of self projection in your words. I think you should search your soul and figure out are you a man because that's who you are, or are you looking for a way to justify your attraction towards women? I say this because I had to explore the same thing before I moved forward and maybe you too.

No I know I'm man I'm just tired of people thinking because I'm trans that means Im suppose to agree with homosexualiity hence why I asked the question trust m I tried to live as female it didn't work because it's not who I am, I am a male, I knew this at 5 I mean what 5 yr old ask their dad why they don't have a penis, I always have Identified as male and even had a list of male names

Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2013, 11:08:49 PM

That's to someone who Identifys as female though, My idenity is male so no I'm not a female, My genetalia doesn't determine hence why the only reason you believe that

wooo boy..yeah defo out of this thread *poofs*