Quote from: Chaos on October 19, 2013, 11:12:56 PM
wooo boy..yeah defo out of this thread *poofs*

>was born female
>identifies as male
>thinks this makes them exempt from homosexual judgment in regards to religion
>

This is probably the worst thread I've ever been a apart of with one of the most closeted cases of denial I've ever seen.

I think I'm following you right on out of here, Chaos lmao

Quote from: Heather on October 19, 2013, 11:05:11 PM
Brandon I would really suggest you look at these feelings before moving forward in your transition I'm seeing a lot of self projection in your words. I think you should search your soul and figure out are you a man because that's who you are, or are you looking for a way to justify your attraction towards women? I say this because I had to explore the same thing before I moved forward and maybe you too.

This so much ^

Brandon, I am getting a mixed message from you.  It almost sounds like your saying that your feelings towards women are wrong if you don't transition, but your attraction to women will be justified if you DO transition because the Bible doesn't condemn being transgender while you see scriptures that you feel do condemn homosexuality.

Many people here have told you that you need to seek the answers from Him and pray for guidence.  I remember in another post where you said that you feel God is not pleased with you.  Could you please explain why that is?  I don't want to assume anything, so I'm asking,do you feel that you can't go to God because you may be afraid that he would tell you to not to transition?  Again, I'm just curious.  I'm not judging.  Let us know what's going through your mind because we don't know.

Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2013, 11:12:45 PM

No I know I'm man I'm just tired of people thinking because I'm trans that means Im suppose to agree with homosexualiity hence why I asked the question trust m I tried to live as female it didn't work because it's not who I am, I am a male, I knew this at 5 I mean what 5 yr old ask their dad why they don't have a penis, I always have Identified as male and even had a list of male names

Lol I laugh because I started dressing like a girl and calling myself Heather when I was 5. But that doesn't mean I didn't question myself when I got older I did a lot and they were times where I desperately wanted to be a normal boy but it just didn't workout that way no matter how much I prayed. But nobody is making you agree with homosexuality it's your life I just wanted to show you they are some similarities between being gay and being trans. I know for a fact my attraction towards men is not the same as gay men but I can understand what they go through in wanting nothing in the world more than to be normal and realizing you can't.   

Quote from: ttim0324 on October 19, 2013, 11:18:12 PM
>was born female
>identifies as male
>thinks this makes them exempt from homosexual judgment in regards to religion
>

This is probably the worst thread I've ever been a apart of with one of the most closeted cases of denial I'e ever seen.

I think I'm following you right on out of here, Chaos lmao

Thats putting it lightly lmfao but the below is why im done here.I mean most of it was just brushed off then with the whole *oh i dont see most that but the female apart isnt me so im good* XD um lmfao i mean hes talking like physical contact sexually with another man is wrong but his doesnt apply? yes THEE worst thread i have ever seen and he is indeed a child spiritually and really is projecting with alot of confusion.your welcome to follow lol



Quote from: ttim0324 on Today at 12:06:27 am
Deuteronomy 22:5 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man*


That's to someone who Identifys as female though, My idenity is male so no I'm not a female, My genetalia doesn't determine hence why the only reason you believe that

Brandon,
Malachite brings up an interesting issue.
If you did indeed say you don't think God is pleased with you are you using transsexual topics as a "loophole" of sorts to feel better about yourself or to maybe hope the Lord will be pleased.
If so it isn't a good idea to try to find loopholes in the word of God.

Quote from: Chaos on October 19, 2013, 11:26:06 PM
Thats putting it lightly lmfao but the below is why im done here.I mean most of it was just brushed off then with the whole *oh i dont see most that but the female apart isnt me so im good* XD um lmfao i mean hes talking like physical contact sexually with another man is wrong but his doesnt apply? yes THEE worst thread i have ever seen and he is indeed a child spiritually and really is projecting with alot of confusion.your welcome to follow lol



Quote from: ttim0324 on Today at 12:06:27 am
Deuteronomy 22:5 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man*


That's to someone who Identifys as female though, My idenity is male so no I'm not a female, My genetalia doesn't determine hence why the only reason you believe that

I think we should all realize Brandon is young and I remember how hard it was for me when I was his age and if Susan's had been around back then I would have probably started some threads that were far worse than this one.

Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2013, 11:06:46 PM

I have to disagree Jesus died for are sins for a reason, And that he'd forgive us I don't know how many times in a day because he knows that were not perfect, No on is exempt from hell because The son of of God doesn't know the time or our for his returning, He can crack the clouds right know if he wanted to he bible also says hell has enlargended itself..... I wonder why because so many people are gonna be lost and deny the truth, But I'm going to stop because I don't wanna get banned

Brandon, this is a Christian forum and as long as we aren't being hateful towards one another and judging I don't see why we can't discuss this.  The Bible says we must contend for the faith and always be ready to give an answer.

You said from your own mouth that Jesus will said "depart from me".  Let me show you that scripture in it's fullness.  Oh and I also read from the KJV so no worries about that.  In fact, I'm almost a King James Onlyist.  Lets look at that scripture shall we?

Matthew 7:21-23

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.




In order to get to heaven we must know the will of the Father, and what is the will of our Father?  the answer is found in John 6:40

And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.


If a true believer goes to hell then God is a lier because he promised EVERLASTING life.  Also, Jesus says "depart from me, I NEVER" knew you."  Jesus does NOT say "I used to know you."  Once Jesus knows you, he knows you.  It's not "now I'm saved now I'm not now I'm saved, Now I'm not" 

Those people who he said "depart from me" were trusting in their WORKS to get them into heaven.  Here are things that are works:

-Keeping the commandments

-Repenting of sins

-Living a good life


An ex-homosexual (assuming homosexuality is a sin) isn't going to heaven because they repented of homosexuality.  They go to heaven because they believed on Christ alone for their salvation, NOT repenting of their sins.


People can disagree and thumb me down all they want and I can even get put on the watch list but I don't care.  This NEEDS to be said.  You're right.  Hell is enlarging itself and many people WILL be lost.  If a person thinks repenting of their sins will get them to heaven then Jesus WILl say to them "depart from me, I never knew you".


Oh and I don't believe in the doctrine that says Jesus can come at any moment.  That's unbiblical.  I believe in a post-tribulation rapture  Jesus comes in the clouds after the tribulation but that's another debate for another day.

Quote from: Heather on October 19, 2013, 11:36:24 PM
I think we should all realize Brandon is young and I remember how hard it was for me when I was his age and if Susan's had been around back then I would have probably started some threads that were far worse than this one.

Oh i know and the reason i commented here to start with,which was to try and give understanding to what the *bible* says about such issues.I was replying to a comment,thats all.Im sorry if i came off wrong but i am very honest that even as a young person,there isnt much that can be taught from someone else and i know from my own experience that,such things like this is something that HE needs to do his self *on this subject anyway* i do get the feeling that Mal is right on one part but also that he has been taught by others on what to believe and such follows that,not his own personal experience.Of course im not downing that and everyone learns on their own-just stating that he should at least consider councel when its given,not constantly correct everyone and that he feels he *knows more then* that said,forgive me if it was said wrong and i will take my leave now.I tend to become very passionate on this topic as is lol

Quote from: Heather on October 19, 2013, 11:36:24 PM
I think we should all realize Brandon is young and I remember how hard it was for me when I was his age and if Susan's had been around back then I would have probably started some threads that were far worse than this one.

Here here Heather!

I can't speak for Brandon but as for myself-at 22-I have trouble expressing myself when it comes to issues concerning my sexuality. Especially when I don't want to offend others but I definitely don't want to offend God! I'm glad he's talking it out here on Susans.

Malachite,
I enjoy your answer and not many see the will of God you stated in John 6:40. That term is thrown around rather loosely.

As for repentance however John the Baptist, Jesus and Peter all said to repent and do works meet for the gospel. That repentance doesn't come from being works oriented (or shouldn't) but out of love and a thankful spirit for what the Lord did for us.

It is true the Lord knows them that are his as in Psalms it is written the members of his body were written in the book (Book of Life) before the world was.

I enjoy your answers man.

And at 22 I would have posted some far worse things myself.

Let everyone keep cool. If you are getting upset or frustrated take a break.

I don't comment in religious threads as I have no belief but I do need to moderate them.

So if you feel you are banging your head against the wall, just ignore the thread.

Thanks people

Cindy

Quote from: Shaina on October 19, 2013, 11:44:52 PM
Here here Heather!

I can't speak for Brandon but as for myself-at 22-I have trouble expressing myself when it comes to issues concerning my sexuality. Especially when I don't want to offend others but I definitely don't want to offend God! I'm glad he's talking it out here on Susans.

I'm glad he is too I believe he'll figure it out we all need time to grow as a person. I'm just glad he's going through this now instead of later in life.

Quote from: Del on October 19, 2013, 11:51:40 PM
Malachite,
I enjoy your answer and not many see the will of God you stated in John 6:40. That term is thrown around rather loosely.

As for repentance however John the Baptist, Jesus and Peter all said to repent and do works meet for the gospel. That repentance doesn't come from being works oriented (or shouldn't) but out of love and a thankful spirit for what the Lord did for us.

It is true the Lord knows them that are his as in Psalms it is written the members of his body were written in the book (Book of Life) before the world was.

I enjoy your answers man.

And at 22 I would have posted some far worse things myself.

Thanks Del.  I am convinced that repentence in the Bible means a change of heart.  The works from geniune repentence makes use justified before men but not before God.

Quote from: Heather on October 19, 2013, 11:36:24 PM
I think we should all realize Brandon is young and I remember how hard it was for me when I was his age and if Susan's had been around back then I would have probably started some threads that were far worse than this one.

True, I think I still say things that wouldnt go over very well in the lgbt community lol
It's just that when someone says "I'm young but I have a lot of wisdom and knowledge" (but with infuriating grammar) it's hard to want to do anything other than put them in their place. Especially when they're completely closed to other peoples views and do nothing but challenge everyone that doesnt agree with them. Well, at least it's hard for me xD

Quote from: ttim0324 on October 20, 2013, 12:24:46 AM
True, I think I still say things that wouldnt go over very well in the lgbt community lol
It's just that when someone says "I'm young but I have a lot of wisdom and knowledge" (but with infuriating grammar) it's hard to want to do anything other than put them in their place. Especially when they're completely closed to other peoples views and do nothing but challenge everyone that doesnt agree with them. Well, at least it's hard for me xD

I think every young person thinks they have the answer to everything I know I did. But that's apart of growing up and he'll get past that eventually.

Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2013, 09:02:38 PM
Serious question, I know alot of other trans people or homosexuals who find it shocking that I don't agree with it and make it seem like I have to because the T just so happens to be with the L,G and B, But I'm not trying to offend anyone I just happen to be very religious

Doesn't matter if you're religious in any way or not at all, as long as no one is getting hurt people should be allowed to live how they want without judgement from others - acceptance for being who they are is something that pretty much everyone on this board is looking for.

Though I am a devout follower of the FSM so not sure how much you'll appreciate my opinion, but why can't you make up your own mind instead of having your opinions dictated to you by a 1700 year old book?

Quote from: Kaylee on October 20, 2013, 12:44:43 AM
Though I am a devout follower of the FSM so not sure how much you'll appreciate my opinion, but why can't you make up your own mind instead of having your opinions dictated to you by a 1700 year old book?

Hi There

What's the FSM? I'm learning so many new acronyms on this site-Yay!

Also, I can't speak for the OP but if you're referring to the Bible (which is much older than that I believe-I think the oldest known texts were found on pottery from 10th century BCE but I could be wrong!) many believe its message does not diminish with age. In fact, that many of the centuries' old parables reveal lessons still relevant today is one of the reasons I read it. I do get where you're coming from though, its hard to understand scripture recorded by men so long ago when applying it to our lives today.

Quote from: Shaina on October 20, 2013, 12:55:43 AM
Hi There

What's the FSM? I'm learning so many new acronyms on this site-Yay!

Also, I can't speak for the OP but if you're referring to the Bible (which is much older than that I believe-I think the oldest known texts were found on pottery from 10th century BCE but I could be wrong!) many believe its message does not diminish with age. In fact, that many of the centuries' old parables reveal lessons still relevant today is one of the reasons I read it. I do get where you're coming from though, its hard to understand scripture recorded by men so long ago when applying it to our lives today.

FSM - Flying Spaghetti Monster (hence why my opinion may not be appreciated)

IIRC the first actual bibles were compiled around the time of the Council of Nicaea in 325AD, there were texts from the bible around prior to then, but that's when the biblical canon was first codified in it's present form. 

It does contain some valid insight on morality that can help guide people into knowing whats right and wrong, but some of the teachings do need to be taken with a pinch of salt and put into the context of the general consensus of the times it was written.  Major example being Leviticus..its a bit wacky in a modern context (banning pork, tattoos, shellfish...stuff which at the time of writing could of resulted in serious illness or infection due to food storage/hygiene issues but are perfectly fine nowadays). 

It just so happens that Leviticus 18:22 is the source of the line "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.".  If people nowadays can accept bacon prawns and football (pigskin remember) then why can't homosexuality be accepted too?

Quote from: Kaylee on October 20, 2013, 01:24:00 AM
FSM - Flying Spaghetti Monster (hence why my opinion may not be appreciated)...
It just so happens that Leviticus 18:22 is the source of the line "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.".  If people nowadays can accept bacon prawns and football (pigskin remember) then why can't homosexuality be accepted too?

AH yes I've read about that. It was described as a sort of "parody religion". Is that accurate? In any case, I still appreciate your opinions

Oh and I meant the first found Hebrew texts not compiled Bible. But that's neither here nor there!

I think you've pointed out one of the main criticisms many people-including Christians-have about the Bible. I think that the lack of acceptance towards homosexuality is not the result of His word but the way it was interpreted when recorded. People who're interpreting it now can often suffer from selective outrage. So they might uphold Leviticus when it comes to the queer community but they wouldn't cast out their wives during their period (that would NOT go over well, I think lol).

Personally, I choose to interpret the Bible as His perfect word recorded and interpreted by imperfect men. And just as they adapt the language for every version I try to adapt its teachings for a modern age. I know I cannot always correctly interpret His will as put forth in scripture but that's what prayer is for-additional guidance.

Quote from: Malachite on October 19, 2013, 11:19:26 PM
This so much ^

Brandon, I am getting a mixed message from you.  It almost sounds like your saying that your feelings towards women are wrong if you don't transition, but your attraction to women will be justified if you DO transition because the Bible doesn't condemn being transgender while you see scriptures that you feel do condemn homosexuality.

Many people here have told you that you need to seek the answers from Him and pray for guidence.  I remember in another post where you said that you feel God is not pleased with you.  Could you please explain why that is?  I don't want to assume anything, so I'm asking,do you feel that you can't go to God because you may be afraid that he would tell you to not to transition?  Again, I'm just curious.  I'm not judging.  Let us know what's going through your mind because we don't know.

You misread my question