I'm wondering about the comfort vs binding of a few of their binders, so if you guys have tried any of these, please chime in. I'm trying to find a binder that can bind smaller but firmer smaller chests that is more comfortable than an underworks.

Velcro short binder
Air M pullover (short and long)
sports pullover short binder

And if there's one you suggest over these, please tell me about it too

I like the velcro short binder a bit. Order larger than you would normally though as they are geared to asian bodies.

I have an Air M long. I really like it (for a binder that is). I don't like the short ones and don't like the velcro, which I attribute to mostly autistic kinds of tactile stuff.
I agree on the sizing 1-2 sizes larger.

--Jay

I've tried both Air M and a velcro short binder, 3rd gen mesh one to be exact. The short Air M is comfortable because it has elastic around the ribcage- which makes it also not ideal for larger chests. The long Air M has stomach compression, but rides up very little and compresses much more than the short version. The velcro was my go-to binder for a long time, as I had it first and it bound the firmest (probably just as firm as the long binder, but I prefer shorter binders). However, I grew out of it within 6 months on T because I gained a lot of upper body muscle- causing the velcro too much tension.

My favorite binder once I had to bind much less (combination of small chest and chest development) would be their sports pullover binder. They are very comfortable, bind just enough, and are easy to be active in.

As far as sizing, each binder has a different size index. Do not buy any of their binders using guidelines based on your normal attire. Always measure- if you size wrong, they'll replace it, but you pay the international shipping. For instance, at the same point I could wear a size M of the short Air M, but needed a L for the long Air M, and a XXL for the sports pullover. If you have trouble, their customer service is actually really great. They'll ask for your weight, measurements, and height and recommend a size for you.

Quote from: Jamison on October 20, 2013, 07:13:00 PM
I've tried both Air M and a velcro short binder, 3rd gen mesh one to be exact. The short Air M is comfortable because it has elastic around the ribcage- which makes it also not ideal for larger chests. The long Air M has stomach compression, but rides up very little and compresses much more than the short version. The velcro was my go-to binder for a long time, as I had it first and it bound the firmest (probably just as firm as the long binder, but I prefer shorter binders). However, I grew out of it within 6 months on T because I gained a lot of upper body muscle- causing the velcro too much tension.

My favorite binder once I had to bind much less (combination of small chest and chest development) would be their sports pullover binder. They are very comfortable, bind just enough, and are easy to be active in.

As far as sizing, each binder has a different size index. Do not buy any of their binders using guidelines based on your normal attire. Always measure- if you size wrong, they'll replace it, but you pay the international shipping. For instance, at the same point I could wear a size M of the short Air M, but needed a L for the long Air M, and a XXL for the sports pullover. If you have trouble, their customer service is actually really great. They'll ask for your weight, measurements, and height and recommend a size for you.

Thanks, all of that is very helpful! Definitely gives me a good idea of the differences between them.
One question because this always seems to happen to me- if I'm right in between two sizes, would it be better to go up or down?

Quote from: CursedFireDean on October 20, 2013, 08:36:56 PM
Thanks, all of that is very helpful! Definitely gives me a good idea of the differences between them.
One question because this always seems to happen to me- if I'm right in between two sizes, would it be better to go up or down?

I think that depends if you want a tighter fit or not. However, sometimes you may not have the luxury of picking a size down for a tighter fit. For example, I couldn't go smaller with the sports pullover even if I wanted to because the front panel is non-elastic and extends to my sides. Therefore, a small size wouldn't be able to fit it over my head, or shoulders in particular. The short Air M is more flexible, so the binder stretched with me over time. I think both Air Ms, based on their design would allow you to size down, but I think it really depends how close you are to the other size. If you're literally borderline, I think you'd be fine, especially if you have a smaller build.

I don't have a problem with stomach compression on the Air Max Long. To me it's more like the compression on underarmour shirts or something. It does ride up, I pull it down into my pants and that works. I should say I am not too big in the stomach. I am really sensitive on pressure and stuff but I guess we are still all different in that.

Sizing is strange. I have a really small build, might be why I think the Loveboats are two sizes too big. I don't think everybody thinks this. Sounds good using their customer service. I actually thought it wasn't bad. I asked them a question or two but I think they had to find someone to translate. I think that's just dealing with international stuff, and you got to work with it. But they do seem to really want to help their customers.

Jamison, I think you are too danged cute for your own good.

--Jay

Quote from: aleon515 on October 21, 2013, 12:53:14 PM
I don't have a problem with stomach compression on the Air Max Long. To me it's more like the compression on underarmour shirts or something. It does ride up, I pull it down into my pants and that works. I should say I am not too big in the stomach. I am really sensitive on pressure and stuff but I guess we are still all different in that.

Sizing is strange. I have a really small build, might be why I think the Loveboats are two sizes too big. I don't think everybody thinks this. Sounds good using their customer service. I actually thought it wasn't bad. I asked them a question or two but I think they had to find someone to translate. I think that's just dealing with international stuff, and you got to work with it. But they do seem to really want to help their customers.

Jamison, I think you are too danged cute for your own good.

--Jay

My biggest hesitation with a long binder is that my long underworks would roll up and dig into my hips and after a few hours it'd be so painful that I had to take it off. Part of the problem was that it was so long that so much of it would roll up when I tucked it into my pants. Is the long Air M short enough that not too much of it would roll up when tucked in? (I know that certainly depends on body proportions, but I'd still love the feedback.)

Quote from: CursedFireDean on October 21, 2013, 03:06:56 PM
My biggest hesitation with a long binder is that my long underworks would roll up and dig into my hips and after a few hours it'd be so painful that I had to take it off. Part of the problem was that it was so long that so much of it would roll up when I tucked it into my pants. Is the long Air M short enough that not too much of it would roll up when tucked in? (I know that certainly depends on body proportions, but I'd still love the feedback.)

I don't have problems once I tuck it in. If I forget there's a problem. I have never experienced any pain with it at all ever. I have even worn it much higher than recommended times like 10-12 hours. I know it's not recommended. I was happy to take it off, but that's it. I don't feel it digs into me or anything. I don't think the compression is very much. I think there is 3 layers and the stomach is getting two and the chesticles 3, if that makes sense. I was surprised that someone thought it had too much compression just proves very much that ymmv.

--Jay

Quote from: aleon515 on October 22, 2013, 06:40:03 PM
I don't have problems once I tuck it in. If I forget there's a problem. I have never experienced any pain with it at all ever. I have even worn it much higher than recommended times like 10-12 hours. I know it's not recommended. I was happy to take it off, but that's it. I don't feel it digs into me or anything. I don't think the compression is very much. I think there is 3 layers and the stomach is getting two and the chesticles 3, if that makes sense. I was surprised that someone thought it had too much compression just proves very much that ymmv.

--Jay

Awesome! This might be the binder I'm looking for then

The comments were helpful to me. Heck I'd leave a comment, not sure what my name was when I ordered these though. I am sure some of these guys are not thinking they are going to get "Judy" or something as a commenter.


--Jay

Yeah, for the record my long Air M only had stomach compression issues at the end when it got too small. I could technically still wear it and sometimes did when going out if I felt more dysmorphic or just wanted to feel skinny. But basically, it does has a compression panel that runs to the bottom. This helps dramatically with rolling up. I would just tuck it in my pants and I can't recall it rolling up much, ever.

Also, thanks for the compliment Jay. Luckily, I'm only concerned for other people's "good" haha.

The only binder I'll use is the Air velcro one. It's the most comfortable one I've tried.