Hi All, just wondering whether all you lovely people think I could do with facial feminisation surgery! Could you point out any features that appear overly masculine to you? Thanks so much, Nat. x

I'm certainly no expert, but to me it looks like you caught your face in time.  With T-blockers to keep the brow ridge from thickening and the jaw from squaring, I'd say that a little bit of E will finish the job.  You're already beautiful.

Be proud of that face, sweetie! 

Girl, look at my picture.  That is the picture of someone who needs FFS.  Look at your picture.  You are beautiful. 

Hugs!!!

Jen.

Need is not really the word I would use. What I will say is that the majority of those that transition can benefit from facial surgery. I suppose that also applies to most women as well.

Its often expensive, a yucky recovery and takes a long time to heal but hey I found it worth it.

Katie

I saw photos of someone on another forum who decided to have FFS, and to look at her before pics you would have thought she was genetically female. Yet she had some major FFS... I got to see lots of pics of a bruised and swollen face but never did see the final after shot so I couldn't say if it had made any significant difference. Some people expressed surprise that she had felt the need for it but ultimately it was her decision. A lot of pretty cis women also get plastic surgery when they don't need it, go figure.

Anyway, where I'm going with this is that I personally don't see a need for you to have FFS, Natalie. But the fact you're asking seems to indicate you might be contemplating it. I'd suggest you let the hormones do their job as they often help over time to smooth over certain masculine features, not that I see you have an issue with that anyway!

I've seen manlier faces on some beautiful cis women! Enjoy what you have!

Quote from: JLT1 on October 25, 2013, 11:41:27 AM
You can have vanity if you like – that's part of being a woman.

Isn't that rather sexist? Some people value vanity, others do not, but it's not part of being a woman.

All,

I have removed it from my original post.   I was thinking about the woman's magazine "Vanity" and the woman's clothing stores named "Vanity".  However, I can see to some that it has different or negative connotations than I had intended. If I have offended, I do apologize.

Jen

Quote from: JLT1 on October 25, 2013, 08:16:10 PM
All,

I have removed it from my original post.   I was thinking about the woman's magazine "Vanity" and the woman's clothing stores named "Vanity".  However, I can see to some that it has different or negative connotations than I had intended. If I have offended, I do apologize.

Jen

LOL... nice freudian slip. "Vanity Fair" just proves that women are considered vain.

It's not part of being a woman, but it certainly seems like it sometimes. I've already been accused of being vain by my wife... and I suppose it's true in a way - but she doesn't need to be vain, she's been a woman all her life (and never really cared how she looked - she didn't like the "makeup girls."). Me? I'm a girl who looks like a man - I think I'm allowed a little vanity and I don't see anything wrong with that!

On feminism, though. I really don't like how "vanity" has a relationship with "femininity" as if they both mean "caring too much about one's own appearance" or "worthless." How much caring is too much? A make-up table is called a vanity for a reason, and it's a very female thing to own or use.

I know a man can be vain, but it's not as often used for appearance as for achievement or sense of ownership (i.e. "You're So Vain" ~ Carly Simon).

It's amazing how little it takes to stir people up on this board... lol

Hi Natalie
Since I'm just back from the final finishing touches to my own FFS, I'll stick my neck out and say something a little different to the others. First I agree with whoever said you should give yourself 2 to 3 years of HRT before even considering FFS. For someone your age, it can make a huge difference in terms of filling our and softening the face.
However, no amount of HRT will change your bone structure and looking at your photos (which are not too clear BTW), I see two areas where you could potentially benefit from some help: reduction of height between your upper lip and your nose, chin height reduction and recontouring.

Regarding the latter procedure, a word of warning, it is by far the riskiest of th "standard" FFS procedures requiring a very long time to recover full nerve sensation (1 to 2 years)  and often leading to permanent loss of sensation. I had almost 1cm of bone removed 15 months ago and have still not recovered normal sensation but happily, it is coming back little by little.

Wishing you all the best
Donna

Quote from: JLT1 on October 25, 2013, 08:16:10 PM
All,

I have removed it from my original post.   I was thinking about the woman's magazine "Vanity" and the woman's clothing stores named "Vanity".  However, I can see to some that it has different or negative connotations than I had intended. If I have offended, I do apologize.

Jen

Thank you for understanding. I doubt it was your intent, and I'm sure it was meant in a benign way, but gender stereotypes are still part of a system that hurts everyone, including men, women, and transgender folk. It's best to be careful to not perpetuate them.

As for the comment someone made about how little it takes to stir someone up. Sexism isn't a little thing. It's a huge and significant issue that should be confronted, whether it's intentional or not, subtle or overt. Please don't normalize or dismiss its effects.

being vain and vanity can mean the same thing but many people concerned about vanity are not necessarily vain about their self...but some could be considered narcissist. I do feel most women are vain about who they would like to be....meaning they care about how they look and they judge their self on how others look. Examples....oh she's so skinny, I wish I had her hair, my gawd she looks so young, theirs no way she had kids!!!

I constantly look at other women and think geez I wore a similar outfit...how come I don't look that good. Rarely do I think....hmmm I would look so much better in what she is wearing. Often though I will get compliments on what I wear and enjoy and appreciate them....for this I suppose I am vain. Many times its from young teens...this makes me feel even better....cause they are even more critical, at first I thought they were saying things to test my reaction (thinking I was something other then who I am) I have had it happen too often to keep viewing it that way.

Just yesterday I brought my children to a fun zone type of place....the staff was made up entirely of teens mostly girls...a couple of them commented on my boots, it is strange to get this since I am much older than them, but I do appreciate the comments and makes me feel good that hopefully I am appearing fashionable and not too foolishly/fashion young!!

Let's see how hormones will shape your face because it already looks feminine. IMO I can only having a mouse job in your future really but in the end its your choice