So maybe yall can help me figure this one out. Im a proud Tea Party member. My family and several friends are constantly telling me i should switch parties and become a liberal Democrat because im transgender....no other reasoning behind it, just that im trans. So im wondering why would they be saying that?
A little about me that is/isn't well know is as follows:
I love big diesel trucks...democrats are trying to choke them out because of there polluting exhaust.
I don't believe in Global warming...democrats feed off it.
I love guns and own 10....Democrats are constantly trying to limit what is legal to own, how big of a magazine i can have and so on.
I don't mind paying more in taxes if it means fixing our nation....democrats try to tax the rich not me.
Im pro life....most democrats are pro choice.
I believe in working for what you need....democrats are trying to give more handouts to low income families and individuals.

And of course the list just goes on. Now im not trying to insult anyone and am sorry if i did, but im just trying to get an answer.

Btw before anyone accuses republicans of being racist, remember this, Abe Lincoln was a republican, the democrats were fighting to keep there slaves.


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Not to be the gloomy one I was a life long Republican. Now I don't consider myself anything. I think our system is too broke to fix. I don't even vote anymore.

You're sister,
Jessica

Quote from: kariann330 on October 26, 2013, 08:04:55 PM
So maybe yall can help me figure this one out. Im a proud Tea Party member. My family and several friends are constantly telling me i should switch parties and become a liberal Democrat because im transgender....no other reasoning behind it, just that im trans. So im wondering why would they be saying that?
A little about me that is/isn't well know is as follows:
I love big diesel trucks...democrats are trying to choke them out because of there polluting exhaust.
I don't believe in Global warming...democrats feed off it.
I love guns and own 10....Democrats are constantly trying to limit what is legal to own, how big of a magazine i can have and so on.
I don't mind paying more in taxes if it means fixing our nation....democrats try to tax the rich not me.
Im pro life....most democrats are pro choice.
I believe in working for what you need....democrats are trying to give more handouts to low income families and individuals.

And of course the list just goes on. Now im not trying to insult anyone and am sorry if i did, but im just trying to get an answer.

Btw before anyone accuses republicans of being racist, remember this, Abe Lincoln was a republican, the democrats were fighting to keep there slaves.


Mods plz move if needed.

Abe Lincoln era republicans were liberal, as are today's democrats. Today's republicans, especially the tea party, are regressive/conservative.
Maybe they question your affiliation because they don't understand why you would belong to a group that would fight against your freedoms and condemn you for being transgender?

And... If you got dangly bits you must be a guy.

Simple rules don't apply to complicated situations. Single Issue issues is how both parties manipulate the faithful for that one cause. Never once looking at the bigger picture.

If me being trans and the fix simple, I'll be living full-time as a woman right now. In fact for the last 30 or so years I would have been. But life is not a simple "If(A) then godo(b) else DrinkHeavily();" algorithm. It is an N-Dimensional matrix.

In other words, never be afraid to vote your conscious. And, keep in mind that about every other major democracy gets along fine with more than TWO parties.

Belong to the party that you believe in. No one should be telling you that you should switch parties. I vote independent / mostly third parties because I think there needs to be some new blood in our goverment, but there are things that I agree with from both of the two major parties.

I would kill myself to be associated with anybody from the Tea Party!!

Just read some of the crap spewed from there so called leader Ted Cruz not only did this man single handedly shut down the government for his own agenda....he can't stand anyone not like him. If your not a white man from Texas and carry a gun he ain't your friend.....lets see he hates gays, thinks all Mexicans should go back to Mexico, blacks...oh he did back a bill trying to block the KKK from adopting highways (what a saint) all his views are backed by his STRONG Christian beliefs....hmm isn't the golden rule treat others the way you would want to be treated....or love thy neighbor....or I could go on....

Oh he wanted to eliminate the employee contribution for government workers....sounds great right!! All those rich senators and congressmen can finally pay their fair share......Ya he had no worries he has sweet coverage with his wife's insurance from Goldman Sachs....and all those rich government officials well....most are low wage government employees that would be forced to cover their health insurance....since when doesn't an employer contribute to their employees health insurance.

Sorry no tea party lover here....heck I would rather see McCarthy back with his search for communism backers!!!

I consider myself to be liberal, but I think we all have to vote our conscious. If you feel like a conservative platform represents what you want to see this country become, you have every right to vote for it. My only problem is when divisive politics get in the way of doing the things that need to be done. This is why we have trillions of dollars of debt, and an anemic economy, and disturbingly frequent mass shootings, and one of the most convoluted immigration systems in the developed world. Can't we all just learn to get along? If we all could just be a little less stubborn and admit to ourselves that every time someone who disagrees with us gets something they want, it won't necessarily destroy everything we love and cherish, then maybe we could actually fix a few things around here.

QuoteSo maybe yall can help me figure this one out. Im a proud Tea Party member. My family and several friends are constantly telling me i should switch parties and become a liberal Democrat because im transgender....no other reasoning behind it, just that im trans. So im wondering why would they be saying that?

Because they think you would (should) be voting for the party that is best for you.

QuoteI love big diesel trucks...democrats are trying to choke them out because of there polluting exhaust.
I don't believe in Global warming...democrats feed off it.
I love guns and own 10....Democrats are constantly trying to limit what is legal to own, how big of a magazine i can have and so on.
I don't mind paying more in taxes if it means fixing our nation....democrats try to tax the rich not me.
Im pro life....most democrats are pro choice.
I believe in working for what you need....democrats are trying to give more handouts to low income families and individuals.

Imho, the American (US) political system is fundamentally flawed because of this kind of thinking. None of the parties truly represent what is good for the country. (I'm not talking the rich, the poor, the middle class, unions, public officials, corporations, etc...all of these sub-groups are basically nothing more than "special interest" groups, and all are working for their own good, not for the good of the country as a whole.)

We, the people, are also doing the same thing, albeit on an individual/family scale: If a party represents "our" interests (i.e., it's good for us, but not necessarily good for the country), then they get our vote.

Very, very few people think in terms of what is best for the country.

Unless something really dramatic occurs, I believe the US will be dead in a few years...or so radically changed (perhaps a state of a global gov't?) as to be unrecognizable today. Heck, today's US is unrecognizable to the people who were born in the 1930's and earlier.

We need new blood in govt and without connections to special interest lobbyists. We need to change the system so that people who are not rich can run for office. I think most politicians in Congress are millionaires. It's sickening.

Quote from: Gina_Z on October 26, 2013, 09:47:07 PM
We need new blood in govt and without connections to special interest lobbyists. We need to change the system so that people who are not rich can run for office. I think most politicians in Congress are millionaires. It's sickening.

Politics always end up corrupt given enough time. It's practically an unsolvable problem. My best solution is that we just wait it out another 50 years until the self replicating robots take things over, and they'll probably do a better job at running things than we ever could.

You should vote based on your views and for candidates that have your best interest in correlation to those views and not as a "party liner". Don't get stuck on one party, that's lazy and often times will get an individual in office that you dislike.

Oh and your Abe Lincoln fact is a little misleading. During that time, republicans had views that were more similar to the current democrat than the current republicans, point being that a lot changes over time....which is yet another reason to not vote with one distinct party for that sole reason.

Kariann,

Republicans want to forcibly block granting you any legal rights as a transgender human being. Period.

They oppose your very existence. They question your mental health. They absolutely want to be able to refuse you health care for your transgender situation. Republicans oppose ENDA, which would grant you legal protections. Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor, two very prominent and mainstream Republicans said the ENDA law was "dead on arrival" if it contained transgender protections.

Republicans are fighting a case in Texas to declare that you are what you are born as, period. If it goes to the Supreme Court and they win, this case will legally detransition you, force you to carry an ID that says male, force you into the male bathroom, and deny you the right to marry a man (if you lean that direction).


Republicans have publicly made statements that transgender people should be "rounded up and put in camps". And not one other nationally recognized Republican came out and condemned this man's statements. Not one.

The TV station of the Tea Party (Fox News) argues that they should be allowed to bully you and that laws against that infringe on their free speech. Fox News continues to target a transgender teen with a totally false story even after the school itself said the story is a lie.

The list goes on and on and on.

Why any transgender woman would vote for Republicans at all baffles me. Your guns won't mean squat if they pull the legal rug out from under you, deny you healthcare, deny you legal identity, and force you to live as a man.


Oh, and before you play the Abe Lincoln card, that was 150 years ago. Do you know what the Southern Strategy is? Do you know that the GOP has used it since Richard Nixon? Do you know that Ken Mehlman, the RNC chairman, went before the NAACP to apologize for openly racist tactics, yet the GOP used those same tactics again after that apology and have never stopped since Nixon won using racism in 1968?


All of the above and more is how the Republican Party views YOU, Kariann. You. They despise your very existence. How you can vote for the very people who would wipe your existence out is simply beyond me. I'm not saying vote Democrat. There are other parties out there. But voting Republican? I can't understand that once you know the facts.

In case you're interested, outside of the United States, the "tea party" is pretty much considered a painfully absurd symptom of the anti-intellectualism and self righteous entitlement that seems to be gripping a certain type of American, by anyone with even a small amount of education. Libertarianism is inherently repulsive, if you can't work that out, you need to read more. Sinclair Lewis once said (of the USA) "When fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross"
Sound familiar to you?
Now, I could talk about the irony of you calling yourself "pro life" while your signature talks of murder at a distance and continues to proudly proclaim your level of skill with an instrument with the singular purpose of ending human lives but, that would be too easy.
I could make mention of how amusing it is that you deny the cumulative and overwhelming amount of climate science that clearly shows climate change is a very real threat to all life on earth because you like big trucks but, again, what would be the point?
You see, you're almost point for point the ideal person to bring about a facist revolution.
Bloodthirsty, self centered, privileged, under educated and proud of it.
These are all traits considered virtuous by the tea party so perhaps, yes, you should embrace your ignorance and continue voting for what is, in essence, a movent that wants to watch the world burn and is made up largely of evangelical death cult members.

Lots of hate and ignorance directed at the Tea Party in this thread, from people who evidently like taking individuals' views and applying them to the whole, or who got their ideas of what the Tea Party is from watching "news" organizations that are actively biased against it.

Sound familiar to anyone? Just replace "Tea Party" with "transgender" and you've got a slice of life for many people here.


Now, as has been noted before, I'm a conservative Christian transwoman. I've seen both sides. And I'll tell you right now, the people you're spewing hatred at are just as unworthy of that hatred as we are of the anti-trans extremist faction's. The Republican Party - and especially the Tea Party - is not the party of "hate" - it's the party of Not in My Back Yard. In other words, the vast majority don't care what we do, as long as we don't get in their faces, force them to agree or act as though they agree, or teach their kids things they don't believe.
Which is no less than any atheist wants from any Christian, or any Liberal wants from any Conservative.

And to answer the "Hey, they made insensitive comments" crowd: People do that. There were a ton of liberals talking about putting Ted Cruz on a sinking ship, for crying out loud! And many many liberals implying that Conservatives shouldn't have the right to vote/make their voice heard. Does that mean when push comes to shove they'd even want to try to do it? NO!


So yes, OP - feel free to be part of the Tea Party - the real Tea Party of low taxes and small government, not the bigoted caricature I'm ashamed to see people here believe in. I am - and just as proud of it as I am of being a woman.

Quote from: LizMarie on October 27, 2013, 12:59:29 AM



Why any transgender woman would vote for Republicans at all baffles me. Your guns won't mean squat if they pull the legal rug out from under you, deny you healthcare, deny you legal identity, and force you to live as a man.

Good post there! And to add, she would still be allowed to have guns if democrats had their way with gun control. The whole "they want to take my guns thing" is ignorance and paranoia.

Quote from: ZoeM on October 27, 2013, 08:38:06 AM
Lots of hate and ignorance directed at the Tea Party in this thread, from people who evidently like taking individuals' views and applying them to the whole, or who got their ideas of what the Tea Party is from watching "news" organizations that are actively biased against it.

Sound familiar to anyone? Just replace "Tea Party" with "transgender" and you've got a slice of life for many people here.


Now, as has been noted before, I'm a conservative Christian transwoman. I've seen both sides. And I'll tell you right now, the people you're spewing hatred at are just as unworthy of that hatred as we are of the anti-trans extremist faction's. The Republican Party - and especially the Tea Party - is not the party of "hate" - it's the party of Not in My Back Yard. In other words, the vast majority don't care what we do, as long as we don't get in their faces, force them to agree or act as though they agree, or teach their kids things they don't believe.
Which is no less than any atheist wants from any Christian, or any Liberal wants from any Conservative.

And to answer the "Hey, they made insensitive comments" crowd: People do that. There were a ton of liberals talking about putting Ted Cruz on a sinking ship, for crying out loud! And many many liberals implying that Conservatives shouldn't have the right to vote/make their voice heard. Does that mean when push comes to shove they'd even want to try to do it? NO!


So yes, OP - feel free to be part of the Tea Party - the real Tea Party of low taxes and small government, not the bigoted caricature I'm ashamed to see people here believe in. I am - and just as proud of it as I am of being a woman.

Sorry, but that's a lot of false equivalency. The tea party is pretty strongly right wing extremist social conservative. What you're thinking of when you discuss smaller government is libertarian (which is itself problematic, but that's for another thread), not tea party.

Opposing bigotry and hatred is not in itself bigotry and hatred.

Tolerance does not mean tolerating bigotry. That's a completely misplaced assertion.

Quote from: Thylacin on October 27, 2013, 10:00:29 AM
Sorry, but that's a lot of false equivalency. The tea party is pretty strongly right wing extremist social conservative. What you're thinking of when you discuss smaller government is libertarian (which is itself problematic, but that's for another thread), not tea party.

Actually, generalizations like that don't work. Definitions can't be sharply drawn. For example, some Liberals are really into Marxism. That doesn't mean liberals are marxists. I know many Tea Partiers who feel the federal govt has grown too big and powerful in relation to the states. They are calling for a return to balance and that means shrinking the size and power of the Fed govt and the executive branch. If you do not want the central govt to shrink, then you might label them 'extremists'. The power of the executive branch has been expanding, especially with Bush and now with Obama.

Quote from: Thylacin on October 26, 2013, 08:35:13 PM
Abe Lincoln era republicans were liberal, as are today's democrats. Today's republicans, especially the tea party, are regressive/conservative.
Maybe they question your affiliation because they don't understand why you would belong to a group that would fight against your freedoms and condemn you for being transgender?

You are painting with a broad brush.

Can't tell if OP is trolling or not.........