I am looking into getting FFS when I am older, but I saw that people basically have a whole wrapping around their head when they do. And they are also bruised up. Is it worth it to get FFS done?

The number of transwomen who "need" FFS is far lower than the number who get it. In terms of passing, the vast majority of transwomen can pass as-is. Yes, there are some that cannot but most can.

However, that level of "need" doesn't necessarily mean you look as good as you can. The truth is that almost all transwomen can benefit from some FFS procedures. A lot depends on how much testosterone poisoning your body has been exposed to and how much you've masculinized. But while the majority of us don't "need" it to pass, getting FFS will help and often helps build our own self-confidence as well, which is just as important.

The only transwomen who may not want to get FFS are those who go on t-blockers at a young age, before puberty, and can go through puberty as a female. In those cases (which are relatively new), those transwomen are going to develop as girls from the onset of puberty forward.

Finally, many transwomen who pass fine at a younger age without FFS, decide to get FFS later as they age, because loss of certain youthful fat deposits can expose more masculine bone structures.

TL;DR - you probably don't "need" FFS but at the same time, you probably would benefit from FFS at some point.

Omg yes it is worth it. look at it this way. even if you dont need it to pass. most women feel they want to change something about their body. you get a chance to do this and be all that more pretty. now if your not into that or want to make a statement or something like that about how looks shouldnt matter you can be that kinda woman, more power to you. But..... aot of us had things about ourselves we didnt like and had a chance to fix it and become more cute. and its so worth it for all the extra positive post op attention you get
hey....im just sayin......

People always ask on here if it is "needed" in terms of passing - and while that's relevant obviously isn't it more important whether or not it is needed to ease dysphoria?

Anyway, FFS is totally worth it. And this is coming from someone who has their whole head wrapped up in bandages with a swollen bruised eye haha in the hospital had surgery yesterday.

Best thing I've done for myself since HRT

Quote from: PrincessDi on November 13, 2013, 04:45:40 AM
People always ask on here if it is "needed" in terms of passing - and while that's relevant obviously isn't it more important whether or not it is needed to ease dysphoria?

in my case both questions are equaly relevant but not everybody feels the same.

Yeah both are important.

How painful is the recovery?

Quote from: Gianna on November 14, 2013, 06:14:00 PM
How painful is the recovery?

thats a tough one. it totally depends on the person, the pain meds, whats done and the surgeon 
mine was a walk in the park but not everyone is so lucky. scratch that the first two days did feel weird cuz my nose was plugged.

Unfortunatly the majority of us "need" FFS to truly pass. There is only a rare few that do not. I had FFS and it was the best thing I ever did. Right the nose plugged up thing was a real bother. The first few days was not fun...

i think it definitely worth it although it's very pricey

Hi,

Look at my avitar...Do I pass?  Need?  Yep.  And I have seen worse come out very nice looking. 

Hugs,

Jen

Quote from: Damhnait on November 14, 2013, 07:46:59 PM
Unfortunatly the majority of us "need" FFS to truly pass. There is only a rare few that do not. I had FFS and it was the best thing I ever did. Right the nose plugged up thing was a real bother. The first few days was not fun...

I agree with this for the most part. While most of the differences between a man and woman's face are pretty subtle, they can all add up to create what a brain will automatically identify as male. So it is a relatively rare bunch that has no distinct masculinities in their face and can pass 100% of the time with just HRT.

Like for me, I pass in general but it's only because I spend as much time as possible making myself look as least masculine as possible lol. So when I go out to the store or whatever I've never been misgendered. But when I'm just wearing pajamas and sitting on the couch with my hair up I don't really pass due to my super masculine forehead/orbital rims (that you can't really see from the front and with my hair down like in my profile pic.)

So while I don't "need" FFS to pass, I do need it if I want to pass under every or at least most circumstances.

Quote from: abbyt89 on November 16, 2013, 12:21:19 AM
I agree with this for the most part. While most of the differences between a man and woman's face are pretty subtle, they can all add up to create what a brain will automatically identify as male. So it is a relatively rare bunch that has no distinct masculinities in their face and can pass 100% of the time with just HRT.

Like for me, I pass in general but it's only because I spend as much time as possible making myself look as least masculine as possible lol. So when I go out to the store or whatever I've never been misgendered. But when I'm just wearing pajamas and sitting on the couch with my hair up I don't really pass due to my super masculine forehead/orbital rims (that you can't really see from the front and with my hair down like in my profile pic.)

So while I don't "need" FFS to pass, I do need it if I want to pass under every or at least most circumstances.

Abbyt89

I still don't see it.  I just think your cute. 

However, sometimes FFS can make the person feel better about themselves.  And self confidence is very attractive.

Hugs to all!!!!

Jen

Quote from: LizMarie on November 12, 2013, 09:58:44 AM


The only transwomen who may not want to get FFS are those who go on t-blockers at a young age, before puberty, and can go through puberty as a female. In those cases (which are relatively new), those transwomen are going to develop as girls from the onset of puberty forward.

Ehmmm....no, puberty blockers don't work wonders....sure, no adams apple, no beardgrowth or bodyhair, a high voice, yes...

But most adolescent MTF on puberty blockers grow unusually tall...because the human body needs sex hormones during adolescence to stop the bones from growing after a certain age.

The 19th century castrata singers also grew unusually tall after being castrated at even before adolescence. Also their voices didn't remain high pitched and clear as it was when they were very young boys.

Same thing goes for the Indian (from India) eunuchs too.

Furthermore are a wide, square jaw and chin, sloping forehead too are a matter of genetics.
Look closely at AIS women's faces, , from birth totally insensitive to testosterone, yet some have a masculine, sloping forehead, a big, square jaw and chin etc.
And some MTF too, after having been on puberty blockers and after that HRT.

QuoteFinally, many transwomen who pass fine at a younger age without FFS, decide to get FFS later as they age, because loss of certain youthful fat deposits can expose more masculine bone structures.

The same thing goes for genetic women too...they too masculinisise when they grow older. A receding hairline, the (male) pattern of heavy wrinkling etc makes them look masculine, while their nosetip and ears keep on growing as cartilage doesn't stop growing over the years.

I'd like to add I've seen excellent FFS results on MTF...but their bodyshape and especially the way they moved, walked, talked etc simply overruled the excellent FFS results and screamed 'MAN!!!!!' even from a distance, when walking with swinging shoulders (and a cup D swinging with it on their wide trunks...) and walking like a version of John Wayne wearing a skirt....no amount of FFS won't help there.

Quote from: Dahlia on November 16, 2013, 03:56:12 AM
Ehmmm....no, puberty blockers don't work wonders....sure, no adams apple, no beardgrowth or bodyhair, a high voice, yes...

But most adolescent MTF on puberty blockers grow unusually tall...because the human body needs sex hormones during adolescence to stop the bones from growing after a certain age.

The 19th century castrata singers also grew unusually tall after being castrated at even before adolescence. Also their voices didn't remain high pitched and clear as it was when they were very young boys.

Same thing goes for the Indian (from India) eunuchs too.

Furthermore are a wide, square jaw and chin, sloping forehead too are a matter of genetics.
Look closely at AIS women's faces, , from birth totally insensitive to testosterone, yet some have a masculine, sloping forehead, a big, square jaw and chin etc.
And some MTF too, after having been on puberty blockers and after that HRT.

The same thing goes for genetic women too...they too masculinisise when they grow older. A receding hairline, the (male) pattern of heavy wrinkling etc makes them look masculine, while their nosetip and ears keep on growing as cartilage doesn't stop growing over the years.

I'd like to add I've seen excellent FFS results on MTF...but their bodyshape and especially the way they moved, walked, talked etc simply overruled the excellent FFS results and screamed 'MAN!!!!!' even from a distance, when walking with swinging shoulders (and a cup D swinging with it on their wide trunks...) and walking like a version of John Wayne wearing a skirt....no amount of FFS won't help there.

your right on with that tall statement. even starting young made me go from 5"2 (what the doctors thought my height was going to stay) all the way up to 5"10. no i must admit i am pleased cuz i hated being short. but i am a baby giraffe and loving it.

For me, a 1000% worth it.  I went from very, very masculine and totally unpassable to close to 100% passable, even without make-up. I also made me look years younger (I'm 56)

It was expensive (about 27k€ in total) and a lot of hassle in terms of time (3 operations representing about 20 hours of surgery in total over 3 years: upper face, lower face and finally a face lift) and recovery, all the more so as my face swells and bruises very easily.

In spite of that, absolutely no regrets and today, especially after the final finishing touches I did last month, the facelift, I myself no longer see anything other than a woman looking at back at me in the mirror. The pleasure and confidence that comes with that makes it very easy to put the hassle behind me.
Hugs
Donna

P.S. In terms of pain, the recent facelift, while far from being very painful, was probably the most painful procedure I had as it involved considerable stretching of facial and neck muscles. The real FFS procedures, which included a very invasive and aggressive sliding genioplasty, were not painful at all. Just a lot of discomfort for about a week and swelling and bruising which took 3 to 4 weeks to mostly disappear.   
 

Quote from: PrincessDi on November 13, 2013, 04:45:40 AM


Anyway, FFS is totally worth it. And this is coming from someone who has their whole head wrapped up in bandages with a swollen bruised eye haha in the hospital had surgery yesterday.

Best thing I've done for myself since HRT

Congrats! But how can you possibly know it's worth it when you're only a few days out of surgery?

It takes at least a year before the final results show...

I couldn't possibly know and yet I totally know! But ill update you a year from now don't worry

Quote from: Dahlia on November 17, 2013, 05:05:19 AM
Congrats! But how can you possibly know it's worth it when you're only a few days out of surgery?

It takes at least a year before the final results show...

For things like forehead the swelling is usually gone within a week or so. Nose is typically a month or two from what I read, and it's the jaw/chin work that can take several months/up to a year to see final
results.

Yea my swelling almost all fine 5 days post OP. it's amazing!