Quote from: Kendall on November 05, 2013, 03:23:13 PM
Sure,
These are the posts I saw Pica Pica mention Pregender

Starting with Pica's video then other mentioning
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,35798.0.html
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,81661.msg572528.html#msg572528
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,92010.msg674936.html#msg674936
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,121205.msg946274.html#msg946274

Kendall

Thank you, I've bookmarked them! 

i think bi-/multigender is what describes me best. i'm rather fluid, but in order to not confuse myself too much, i differentiate between male, female, and other gender in... behavior, or something. they aren't really that separate, but that's not something i feel like explaining to every person who'd get confused if i just go along with whatever i really feel like at any given moment.

I am simply genderless. Was creeping toward neutrois there as well, but going on medication (finally!) has made me feel less alienated by my body, so we'll see. I guess being agender/neutrois would technically make me bigender or genderfluid (or does it count when one of the genders isn't?) but w/e, that's graduate-level stuff so I just like to keep things simple.

How about "gender refusnik"?

My "gender identity," such as it is, is mostly something I assume as a convenience for other people, who generally don't know how to deal with you unless they can slot you as "male" or "female."  For myself, I don't particularly identify on the basis of sex/gender, but more on the basis of values (more or less what in the USA used to be called "liberal") and way of looking at the world (techie.)

In some ways, I fit into the usual expectations of my sex (male), in other ways I don't, and I've reached an age where I don't give a **** if people are bothered by the ways I don't.

tl;dr: On the outside I'm male.  For the purposes of basic interactions, I make a rudimentary effort to pass.  But inside, I have no sex/gender, at least none that I care about.  And I resist other people's efforts to assign me one and then make me act in accordance with their idea of my "gender identity."

I don't do gender. I have no internal sense of it, and external imposition of gender makes me uncomfortable and unhappy. That puts me in the agender category. I don't particularly like labeling a non-event, but the word is serviceable, I suppose.

I'm very clear on my sex though. I'm definitely female despite having been incorrectly assigned male at birth. I sort of think of it like... I have the physiological blueprint, but not the psychological one.

To add to my previous post:  I'm not sure whether sexual orientation is part of this, but FWIW, I'm heterosexual -- i.e., pretty much exclusively attracted to women.

What _would_ the term be for someone of non-binary gender who is attracted mainly to one (binary?) gender?

Currently the most useful terms in that situation are gynesexual or gynephilia for attraction to women, and androsexual or androphilia for attraction to men. They indicate attraction to a specific gender without identifying the gender of the person who feels the attraction. I.e. a lesbian woman and a straight man are both gynesexual.

(And for the curious: skoliosexual is the current term for attraction to non-binaries.)

I am saddened to say that this list confused me.

I will have to read more about these options.

I'll vote for fluid.  But I'm not sure I know exactly what that means.  How does this apply to our current physical reality?

Quote from: Roberto on November 17, 2013, 02:44:38 PM
I'll vote for fluid.  But I'm not sure I know exactly what that means.  How does this apply to our current physical reality?

It means different things apparently.
According to Susan's Wiki: (https://www.susans.org/wiki/Non-binary) it is a synonym for bi-gender.

This, is obviously in contrast to this poll, where it is a separate option.

I've seen some posts that refers to it as a sub-type of bi-gender. This is generally in contrast to those with multiple personality disorder, which sometimes also identify as bi-gender.

I think the issue that complicates this is there are some that identify as multi-gender, and are fluid between those, and also those that identify as sometimes male, sometimes female, and sometimes somewhere in between, or as a third gender. So this can't really be done as a tree, but maybe more a Venn Diagram...

I'm pretty sure after thinking about it, that gender fluid best describes me, but the thing about being fluid, is that I may also just think I'm a cis-male at times.

I've seen bigender more often refer to being two genders simultaneously, while genderfluid means you shift between two or more identities, though I've seen bigender get defined as that also.

I've seen a couple folks on tumblr refer to their being bigender as being an all the time thing. I've also seen others of the likes of omnigender refer to it being a constant rather than something that's always in flux. But you're right, most are the shifty kind.

I have not read through the entire topic, but as I understand it, "bigender" is a unique form of non-binary.

Bigender (bi+gender) is a gender identification which manifests itself as a tendency to move between masculine and feminine gender-typed behavior depending on context, expressing a distinctly male persona and a distinctly female persona. It is recognized by the APA as a subset of the transgendered group. While an androgynous person retains the same gender-typed behavior across situations, the bigendered person consciously or unconsciously changes their gender-role behavior between primarily masculine and primarily feminine, depending on the situation.

It is particularly noteworthy that this concept emerged from within the transgender community rather than being adopted by the transgender community after it was created by another sub-culture (e.g. transsexual was defined first by the mental health community). Because bigender is still a self-applied label, it is not possible to give a definitive outline of the typical bigender. Any description of a bigender is just an example of what someone who identifies as bigender might be like. Although there are patterns, the only firm characteristic is the sense of dual gender.

This is from the site's wiki page