I came across an open letter to the Southern Poverty Law Center claiming there is a website that deliberately outs transwomen, and asking them to investigate.

http://www.change.org/petitions/southern-poverty-law-center-monitor-gender-identity-watch-as-a-hate-group-2

Does anyone know anything about this? Is this true?

I almost wish I hadn't read this thread and discovered this ugliness but yes, the hate site is http://genderidentitywatch.com/ but don't go there unless you have a strong stomach for ugliness.

BTW, I never heard of it before reading this.

Seriously, what is wrong with some people? 

I read the site but did not find a list of outed transgender people. many lists of people that they felt threatened by and incorrect pronouns, many 'reasons' for their opinion and hate, but not listings.

I've heard of the site but wasnt aware of any outing.

The infamous banned blogger does go on youtube and blogs andposts photos and videos of people who came out online as FTM.

We all need to be careful online, because anyone can steal our pictures with a simple snipping/grab program, or download our photos from photobucket if we link directly to photobucket. We should all expect that someone is out there watching us and may potentially use us to advance their agenda.

Quote from: LordKAT on November 23, 2013, 06:30:35 PM
I read the site but did not find a list of outed transgender people. many lists of people that they felt threatened by and incorrect pronouns, many 'reasons' for their opinion and hate, but not listings.

Are you arguing semantics LordKAT? I didn't see a list per se, but I saw lots of links to trans people they are tracking, complete with pictures.  The first link I followed to be sure was a 10-year-old trans girl. 

Go to any of their archive pages such as http://genderidentitywatch.com/2013/10/ and click on a person's name and you'll see.

Edit: Technically, these people like that 10-y-o girl are already out, so they may not be outing them but they're tracking them and storing pictures and personal info on their servers.

No argument, just observation. Suzi's post sounded like she expected a list or series of outed transwomen. I stated what I noticed. I'm sorry it pricked you unjustly.

No worries, LK.  Your post didn't bother me; it's just that site that I find disturbing.

Quote from: Marissa on November 23, 2013, 06:48:36 PM
No worries, LK.  Your post didn't bother me; it's just that site that I find disturbing.

Fair enough. It is a disturbing site.

It's really quite cult like - glorifying "pure" Women and attacking "heretics". Always distressing to see feminism taken beyond equality, doubly so when we are targeted.

Quote from: suzifrommd on November 23, 2013, 04:41:42 PM
I came across an open letter to the Southern Poverty Law Center claiming there is a website that deliberately outs transwomen, and asking them to investigate.

http://www.change.org/petitions/southern-poverty-law-center-monitor-gender-identity-watch-as-a-hate-group-2

Does anyone know anything about this? Is this true?

The website exits and is operated by that loathsome Cathy "Bug" Brennan.  She recently outed the teen transgirl who was involved the PJI smear campaign.

See below:



Haters gonna hate.

I really don't get why everybody gets so upset with this woman. She don't like trans women oh well she calls us men oh well I can't make her like me nor do I want too. How many people actual people read her blog? If you get outed does that mean like ten more people know your trans.  And I think more trans people are reading her site than her intended audience.
If you want her to stop attacking us maybe we should just let her be instead of attacking her I'd fight back too if I had a bunch of people telling me how to think. We as a community have to learn to have a thicker skin and realize you can't change the way people think by attacking them.

Quote from: Heather on November 23, 2013, 11:46:29 PM
I really don't get why everybody gets so upset with this woman. She don't like trans women oh well she calls us men oh well I can't make her like me nor do I want too. How many people actual people read her blog? If you get outed does that mean like ten more people know your trans.  And I think more trans people are reading her site than her intended audience.
If you want her to stop attacking us maybe we should just let her be instead of attacking her I'd fight back too if I had a bunch of people telling me how to think. We as a community have to learn to have a thicker skin and realize you can't change the way people think by attacking them.

That was my feeling too. She is even more "fringe" than we are...and she is making no effort to make herself more mainstream, so she'll stay isolated (and harmless).

Standard Interwebz policy: Don't feed the troll.

Its like watching a trainwreck to be honest. She is the worst kind of messed up person. They talk about a transman being allowed to go to a prom dressed as a man because its how she identifies as a man and we should fght the gender stereotypes but would then trash a transwoman for doing the same damn thing. Honestly its people like this that made my mother not wanting to be called a feminist. Shes just a man-hater plain and simple. People like her need to be sectioned. She isn't helping anyone but her own sick agenda.

Quote from: Heather on November 23, 2013, 11:46:29 PM
I really don't get why everybody gets so upset with this woman. She don't like trans women oh well she calls us men oh well I can't make her like me nor do I want too. How many people actual people read her blog? If you get outed does that mean like ten more people know your trans.  And I think more trans people are reading her site than her intended audience.
If you want her to stop attacking us maybe we should just let her be instead of attacking her I'd fight back too if I had a bunch of people telling me how to think. We as a community have to learn to have a thicker skin and realize you can't change the way people think by attacking them.

Let me provide an analogy, a statement by Rev. Martin Niemöller, talking about his experience in Nazi Germany:

    First they came for the communists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

    Then they came for the socialists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

    Then they came for me,
    and there was no one left to speak for me.

Brennan dehumanizes us.  She invalidates our experience.  She is hatred personified.

I'd rather not have my brains kicked in by radfem thugs.

The problem with these fruitcakes isn't their fringe beliefs, but that, as women who claim to be feminists and who claim to be experts on LGBT issues, and have absolutely extreme anti-trans beliefs, they have been consulted, listened to, and have testified before, state and federal legislatures in this country, and their materials and "testimonies" have been used to support anti-trans (I was going to describe them but they are too triggering even to mention) laws and edicts overseas.

Like any hate group, until it is outed as a hate group, right wing media or right wing political groups will continue to use it as a source for justifying hate, while cloaking it in a patina of neutral expertise.

Is it just me or most of TERFs have way too much male gender markers in their faces?

Oh well, what I was trying to say - they are jealous that we at times are more feminine that they will ever be.

Quote from: J on November 24, 2013, 05:20:50 AM
Let me provide an analogy, a statement by Rev. Martin Niemöller, talking about his experience in Nazi Germany:

    First they came for the communists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

    Then they came for the socialists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

    Then they came for me,
    and there was no one left to speak for me.

Brennan dehumanizes us.  She invalidates our experience.  She is hatred personified.

I'd rather not have by brains kicked in by radfem thugs.

How many brains has she actually kicked in? Yes you may not like what she is saying but she does have the freedom to say it and I'm not about to try to take that from her. How many times have you heard of a radical feminist attacking someone physically I really can't think of any. She has a website that only a few feminist read and is probably read by more trans people.
Do I like her blog no and the first time I came across it I cried my eyes out that someone who didn't know me could dislike me that much. But you know what I'm a stronger woman because I saw what people who don't like me for no real reason say and still had the courage to be myself and live my life everyday as myself. A person can only dehumanize you if you let them and I don't. No matter what she puts on her blog I'm going to continue to live my life as myself and I'm going to live my life above such petty arguing.
Life is way to short to be worried about what other people are saying if she wants to waste her one life attacking people on her blog let her she's only making herself look bad. And we are making ourselves look bad by trying to silence her voice my mom taught me two wrongs don't make a right so maybe we should we should be the ones to let go of this pointless arguing with her.

Sorry to be ignorant but I must ask a genuine question... what the blooming heck is a TERF please?

I'm easily confused  I know.

On the subject of the website - it clearly doesn't hold quite the same emotive power for me as I can understand that it would for you, so I kind oscillated between boredom, bemusement, distaste and indeed even some pity for the kind of sad damaged individual who would invest such energy in so hurtful an enterprise, directed against individuals who have can have done her no personal harm.