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Started by Ginny, November 23, 2013, 03:34:59 PM

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Ginny

So I just recieved a voice training CD yesterday and tried it out this morning.  All was fine until I got to work. Somehow I am stuck in a "high micky-mouse" pitch and can't seem to get into a lower register. Anyone have any suggestions?
I have tried relaxing and drinking warm tea so far, but to no avail.
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evecrook

I try voice control when talking to cashiers. I haven't tried the professional route but to me the best coach is joni michell
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Mx Pippa

Type into Google right now "CandiFLA Ytube" , I've spent a fortune on my voice, Andrea at tsroadmap.com,  Kathe Perez at Exceptional Voice.com, there all great, but Candi has been so, so inspirational and she's free.

Here a link to just one of her video's which just happens to be my favourite :
Hi, you're with 71 year old pre-op transgender Philippa (Pippa) born back in June 1946, I live on the south coast of UK in Wimborne Minster, Dorset.

I've been with The Laurels, NHS Transgender Clinic in Exeter UK,  for 2.5 years. I started my pre-op transgender journey after having breast implant surgery done by surgeon, Mr Michael Graham at The Winterbourne Hospital, in Dorchester UK, in July 2011.

It was after breast implant surgery, my female true real-self emerged, and I started to live full time as the woman. I was adamant GRS was not an opinion, after looking deep into my inner self, thoughts have changed, also testosterone blocking Pro-strap injection have a very positive impact, together with my oestrogen, sex drive has become better and more feminine. I am now so excited, and want to get on with my GRS. 

On the list with another of Britain's top surgeons, Mr Phil Thomas in Brighton for my Gender Reassignment Surgery.

I am engaged to Michael, a wonderful supportive guy.
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Marissa

I'm not sure which CD you got but there is also Andrea James' Finding Your Female Voice free on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO41CpUW7IM&list=PL0CCD9AF3C587C9A2&feature=player_detailpage
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Ginny

My issue wasn't that I couldn't get a female voice it was that I was stuck in a high register so I sounded like a cartoon character.  Anyways, something in my neck went 'click' and I am able to talk more normal now after nearly five hours.
Thanks for the responses.
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Katie

Yes I have a suggestion. Go full time.

See when its weekend games your mind never reprograms to being a female because you always have the boy to go back to. When someone goes full time its all on the line and things fall into place naturally because you realize you have no other choice.....

Example for you.. have you EVER met a cd with a decent female voice? I have never and thats because they are boys and the girl is for fun.

Oh Im not going to go into detail on how to talk because as I said a lot of it comes naturally but I will tell you one little secret that you can use to tell when your talking like a guy. You simply put your hand over your sternum and move up towards the top of it. At that point you talk and if you feel vibrations in your chest your talking like a guy. If you switch to the Mickey Mouse talk you will notice no vibrations in your chest. Crap I just tried it and its kind of funny because its hard to lower my voice to get to that guy voice.....sorry its been years and I guess I just took a wierd trip down memory lane.
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Aina

Hmm I've heard of people getting stuck, Ive never had this problem and I've been working on my voice every day. Going from male to female and back. Then again I might of had an advantage because I've always enjoyed doing voices and accents.

Before going to female or attempted I always stretch my throat muscles by making funny faces with my mouth. I also do the tone exercise you know the razberry thing you do with you lips starting low then going higher pitch. This might help - like any part of your body you should stretch it before doing anything.
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sam79

Voice is one of the trickiest things to master... I too sought help from Andrea early on, as well as every other resource I could find, and struggled immensely. It's taken well over a year to get from there, to a working and passing voice which my voice therapist called fantastic. :). Now I'm onto trying to master my female singing, a whole other ballgame. :).

Anyway, for me, understanding what I was trying to achieve physically in the throat was key. The tutorials all try to cause the same kind of thing to happen physically, just in different ways. Also, it took some time to develop sensation of the muscles I needed to work with, and even longer for it all to be strong enough to use, and to be in muscle memory.

Before I try to describe, a bit of a disclaimer... the detail in this is probably wrong in some ways or other, and is just information out of my head. But the technique did work on me at least. :P

Also as a preface... pitch should be the last thing to focus on. That's because your throat ( in the correct position ) will likely only be able to produce sounds in the female range. Also, pitch is the easiest part to control, so should have least attention early on.

So in getting your throat in the right position, basically you need to tighten muscles at the bottom of your larynx , relax the ones at the top of your larynx, move and hold the whole larynx upward, and tighten up vocal chords. The muscles above and below the larynx control airflow through your vocal chords, and that plays major parts in resonance, which is key to getting the right sound and stamina. Sounds hard right? If you try to gargle ( without making sound or gargling anything ), then you're essentially putting most of your throat and larynx in the right position. If you feel around your throat while doing this, you should be able to notice tightening of the muscles at the bottom of the larynx. Also, feel that your larynx should rise from its resting position when you do this, similar to when you swallow. Being aware of those muscles and being able to control them is the absolute key fundamentals in mtf voice in my opinion. You can't sound female without being able to control those.

Spend time to control those muscles without gargling / swallowing. It will take some time but is so important. While your throat is in the right position, try to make a long 'ah' sound and feel all around your throat. Feel where muscles are, and feel where vibrations are. Pitch doesn't matter at this point, so try to avoid focusing on it. If you keep the sound going with your throat in the right position while letting it slide back in the relaxed (male) position, you should be able to notice a huge difference in what's happening, both in your chest ( resonance ), and your throat position and muscles. That should being about an awareness in exactly what muscles do what... Master being able to get in and out of the right position... This took me quite a while - as in months.

Once you've got the muscle control to move your larynx and control the lower muscles, the next steps are resonance ( controlled through the muscles above the larynx ). If you try to 'pinch' in your throat, you should notice that it's harder to make a sound, and feeling your throat should show changes in the vibrations. Female resonance is in the head and throat, while male resonance is in the chest. Loosening the muscles above the larynx should help encourage resonance in the throat and head. Once that is under control ( again, will take a long time to learn ), then pitch can be looked at. My baseline pitch is about 190hz which is plenty. Anywhere from 170hz to 220hz should be more than fine, but it's important that it's a pitch which is easy to maintain in an 'ee' sound. You don't want an unmaintainable pitch which strains your vocal chords.

With all of that learned, you'd be well on your way to perfecting your voice. Start with simple words ( days of week, numbers etc ) and move on from there. Just practise, and practise, and then even practise some more. Frequent practise sessions over longer practise session are also recommended.

Hugs, and all the best. And feel free to PM me if you've any questions about this information.
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brianna1016

Quote from: Katie on November 24, 2013, 12:15:29 AM
Yes I have a suggestion. Go full time.

See when its weekend games your mind never reprograms to being a female because you always have the boy to go back to. When someone goes full time its all on the line and things fall into place naturally because you realize you have no other choice.....

That's exactly what I did! Yeah it was awkward at first but now I'm finally speaking with confidence and my voice is actually pretty sometimes.
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Sammy

Quote from: Katie on November 24, 2013, 12:15:29 AM
Oh Im not going to go into detail on how to talk because as I said a lot of it comes naturally but I will tell you one little secret that you can use to tell when your talking like a guy. You simply put your hand over your sternum and move up towards the top of it. At that point you talk and if you feel vibrations in your chest your talking like a guy. If you switch to the Mickey Mouse talk you will notice no vibrations in your chest. Crap I just tried it and its kind of funny because its hard to lower my voice to get to that guy voice.....sorry its been years and I guess I just took a wierd trip down memory lane.

You probably did not mean it that way, but You actually did help me with this one a lot :)
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ganjina

Quote from: Mx Pippa on November 23, 2013, 04:08:53 PM
Type into Google right now "CandiFLA Ytube" , I've spent a fortune on my voice, Andrea at tsroadmap.com,  Kathe Perez at Exceptional Voice.com, there all great, but Candi has been so, so inspirational and she's free.

Here a link to just one of her video's which just happens to be my favourite :

Oh yes, thanks for the video!! I had a quite a few things figured out and was looking for EXACTLY THIS to get to the next level!! I tried it and it works great :D!!!
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Ashey

Ugh, I can sing well in a female range but talking? Pffft! I have a naturally 'deep, sexy voice' and despite my vocal range, I get either cracking or a very artificial quality to my voice in the desired range. However, with a lil work I can sound fairly natural in the higher range. But a high and tiny voice doesn't suit me! >.<
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Mx Pippa

Quote from: ganjina on November 25, 2013, 08:34:52 AM
Oh yes, thanks for the video!! I had a quite a few things figured out and was looking for EXACTLY THIS to get to the next level!! I tried it and it works great :D!!!

Well I really thought it addressed Ginneys problem perfect, as Candi has an all round non technical fun approach. In this video in particular she does go up into the Mickey Mouse voice and shows you how to bring it down on the feminine side.
Hi, you're with 71 year old pre-op transgender Philippa (Pippa) born back in June 1946, I live on the south coast of UK in Wimborne Minster, Dorset.

I've been with The Laurels, NHS Transgender Clinic in Exeter UK,  for 2.5 years. I started my pre-op transgender journey after having breast implant surgery done by surgeon, Mr Michael Graham at The Winterbourne Hospital, in Dorchester UK, in July 2011.

It was after breast implant surgery, my female true real-self emerged, and I started to live full time as the woman. I was adamant GRS was not an opinion, after looking deep into my inner self, thoughts have changed, also testosterone blocking Pro-strap injection have a very positive impact, together with my oestrogen, sex drive has become better and more feminine. I am now so excited, and want to get on with my GRS. 

On the list with another of Britain's top surgeons, Mr Phil Thomas in Brighton for my Gender Reassignment Surgery.

I am engaged to Michael, a wonderful supportive guy.
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kathyk

Watch the video below.  This surgery is unaffordable for me at the moment.  But it's the best way for me to permanently change this difficult to control voice. 

And like others have said, going full time forces us to use our voice all the time.  But when I'm with family and around friends the voice just slips into a strange lower pitch that becomes distracting for me and the person I'm talking to.  It's gotten better over the last 7 months, but still falters.  Several older women have said similar things about their voices, so at least I have company with this issue. 






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MaddieShirey

Oh wow... That's amazing! If you don't mind, what does something like that cost?
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kathyk

Quote from: MaddieShirey on November 27, 2013, 10:00:45 AM
Oh wow... That's amazing! If you don't mind, what does something like that cost?

Don't know.  I just reposted it in a new thread to ask others.  Found out about this a couple weeks ago and it really is fantastic.





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MaddieShirey

Seriously gave me a ton of hope. I've got a fairly deep voice, and it's been a concern for me. I didn't know things like this existed. Amazing! Good share!
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