I've noticed ,even though I've only seen a small percentage of people associated with Susan's place, that there is a greater majority of mtf that prefer woman. I mean absolutely no disrespect for anyone choices .I'm just curious. I myself probably should confess I enjoy both, but I do put more emphasis  on fantasizing being with men. I was just wondering if any one has notice this or is just that I found Susan's place a not too long ago and I don't see the whole spectrum. Please, not to be taken in any way other than curiosity

For starters, women are safer.  I mean TBH  no matter who i sleep with(cause i kinda like guys too), on an emotional level, i find a deeper emotional connection with a woman.  Hormones may however change this.

I would be lying if I said I never more then once fantasized about being a woman and falling for a guy. However woman are what excite me, who I enjoy talking with regardless of the conversation.

Sure I have male friends, but I have a hard time visualizing a relationship with a guy. Then again what do I know I haven't been in a "real" relationship since middle school.

I wish I was gay sometimes ... men can be difficult, really really difficult. And heartbreaking. And insensitive. And dangerous. And selfish. And ... lol

But I like what I like. I guess that applies for the lesbians here as well.. that they like what they like

Nothing wrong with it, but I have noticed this trend myself.  Who knows why that's the case, but I think it's not too different than the general population.  There are a lot of straight people who are more open then they claim as it is hard to find the appropriate label.  For example, I consider myself to be straight as I only want to date men, but I do acknowledge that are girls out there that I think are attractive.  It just stops there for me because I really don't want to date or be intimate with another girl romantically or physically.  Maybe bicurious is a better term?  Still, I find straight to be the most appropriate label for me because of my romantic and physical inclinations. See, labels are tricky and I know plenty of straight women and men who are just like me in this regard.  And given the fact that transgender people are more open to the lgbt community and more likely to be educated on lgbt issues, we may be more vocal about our preferences than the general public. 

Having said all that, my exposure to the trans community (here and in other avenues) has been that most lean somewhere in the middle rather than on either extreme.  I wouldn't assume any statistical significance on this as it is just my experience, but the majority I have run into are bi, then I'd say gay and then straight.  Just what I have seen. 

If I've had noodles I want rice next time.

I go for both but there is one good thing about being with another woman....if yall are the same size yalls wardrobe instantly doubles!! But i will say tho, the real thing feels A LOT better then plastic no matter how much it vibrates.

I think the lesbians around here are just more vocal about it. Especially with all these topics talking about men or sexuality or both.

Quote from: Sarah7 on November 24, 2013, 01:39:35 PM
This comes up here periodically. Previous polls here have indicated roughly a 30/30/30/10 split between attracted to women, attracted to men, attracted to both, and attracted to nobody. That's pretty consistent with larger studies of trans women's sexuality. Why the variance from cis women? That isn't really known yet.

Is it really different from cisgendered women? I know an awful lot of bi and lesbian women. A LOT of them. In fact almost every woman I have dated or been friends with. But I don't know that many gay or bi men. Are bi men more secretive about it? Maybe.

That total from the poll also doesn't match studies:

QuoteResearch, such as that done by Walter Bockting at the University of Minnesota, suggests that the breakdown of sexualities among transsexual women is 38% bisexual, 35% attracted to women, and 27% attracted to men. (Star Tribune May 25 2008 "Myths and Facts about Transgender Issues").  Older research had suggested that the majority of transsexual women seeking sex reassignment were attracted to men. About half of trans women studied have sexual intercourse with women.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transsexual_sexuality

I would think in the general population that there are more heterosexual people. So then out of that amount some of them are transgendered. That would stand to reason then that there would be a lesser number of men attracted to men who want to be women. I've also often wondered how many gay men want to be a woman because it would be more acceptable to be a hetero woman than a gay man? Studies have been done on this (see the link below).

As for myself, I am gynephilic. I'm only attracted to women. That makes me a straight man and soon to be trans-lesbian.   I would say I'm probably also somewhat autogynephilic ("love of oneself as a woman"). I'm attracted to my own image as a women. But I think that might be common for cisgender women as well. But I do not have paraphillia. Dressing as a woman is not a turn on for me. But who doesn't like to look pretty? 

Here's an interesting article on ->-bleeped-<- and sexual attraction:

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Blanchard's transsexualism typology:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanchard's_transsexualism_typology

Quote from: RavenMoon on November 24, 2013, 04:51:35 PM
Is it really different from cisgendered women? I know an awful lot of bi and lesbian women. A LOT of them. In fact almost every woman I have dated or been friends with. But I don't know that many gay or bi men. Are bi men more secretive about it? Maybe.

IDK ... I know WAY more gay men than lesbians. But I think that's just because I live in New Orleans.

Quote from: Alainaluvsu on November 24, 2013, 04:56:30 PM
IDK ... I know WAY more gay men than lesbians. But I think that's just because I live in New Orleans.

I'm 30 minutes from NYC. Maybe it's because I have always associated more with women. I hardly ever hang out with men, and the ones I know are mostly straight.

Im all about the guys. i love guys haha
and they are so much easier to read. either they like you or not. if they want to try and hurt you they will try. woman on the other hand from what i see and more dangerous. they play games, keep secrets, plot and make plans on just how to get someone else to hurt you. always been more danger in them from what i have seen. idk thats just me though. I gives 2 tata's up for guys vote 

Quote from: Sarah7 on November 24, 2013, 05:22:13 PM
2% other

Great, I'm a minority of a minority.

Quote from: Sarah7 on November 24, 2013, 05:22:13 PM
And Blanchard's theory has been entirely discredited.

No, it hasn't. But some feel he overemphasized the  ->-bleeped-<- part.

QuoteI did mean roughly split in thirds, which is supported by that study by Walter Bockting. It also didn't track people who don't ID as bi/straight/lesbian, which is going to cause some inaccuracy. The largest, and imo best, study done to date is: http://www.thetaskforce.org/downloads/reports/reports/ntds_full.pdf. The sexuality of trans women is reported on page 29 (these are self-identified stats, like pretty much all the studies).

31% bisexual
29% gay/lesbian/same-gender
23% heterosexual
7% queer
7% asexual
2% other

And other studies, like the one listed above show 70% attracted to females if you add together the bi and lesbian part. I've read other studies where it was 50%, and that is alluded to above also.

QuoteThat's with roughly 3000 respondents. The biggest problem with this one is "queer." Which is kind of undefined, and thus doesn't really allow you to neatly categorize those folks. But basically, we are split in thirds between bi/gay/straight with a significant minority of asexuals. More research will eventually give us more information, but for now that's enough to go on.

"Queer", as in "queer gendered" is a ridiculous term IMO. A little too vague. All my gay friends use "queer" interchangeably with "gay."

QuoteSo basically, researchers are still super confused about sexuality and what is actually going on and the studies have yet to fix this.

I don' think they are confused. They do studies, and the studies don't always match up. That's nothing new. And we already know that gender identity (what gender you feel you are) has little to do with sexuality, i.e., who you want to have sex with.

You sound a little biased about the distribution. Personally I was surprised that so many MtF transsexuals end up lesbians. This includes the ones I know personally. 

But as with anything, people are people, and they like who they like.

I'll state as good as any poll answer, I am attracted to both, however, I only have a history of sleeping with women. Like any woman who's picky I'll be old and grey waiting for Mr. "Right." I don't expect it'll happen, and therefore I am not waiting.

In full disclosure I have a serious and sexual relationship with a woman and have for the last year. Despite reassurances to each other, going postop soon will present new challenges to that.

In the largest study of transsexuals and sexual identity (over 3,000 trans women), 66 percent, or two-thirds, identified as lesbian. So, it seems it is much more common than trans women who like men. But maybe I just like to be rare like a diamond. But anecdotally it certainly is true.

Quote from: Sarah7 on November 24, 2013, 01:39:35 PM
This comes up here periodically. Previous polls here have indicated roughly a 30/30/30/10 split between attracted to women, attracted to men, attracted to both, and attracted to nobody. That's pretty consistent with larger studies of trans women's sexuality. Why the variance from cis women? That isn't really known yet. It could have something to do with the process that makes us trans in the first place. Or it could be that women are actually a lot more gay than they identify as and we are just more open about it: quite a few studies indicate that plenty of straight-identifying women have had or desire to have sex with another woman, so... That's a thing. It's good to remember that there have been times in human history where to be bisexual was normative rather than heterosexual, and it's not like we've changed biologically since then.

Also, it's probably quite disconcerting for the straight women to feel in a minority here, and sometimes they overestimate the queer population here as a result. Because, well, out in the rest of the world you are used to the overwhelming majority of women being straight. If it makes you feel any better, I get to deal with that disconcerting feeling all the time. So ya.

Thank you for the stats.  I happen to think most every person is naturally bi/pansexual, and they just don't know it!   

Quote from: Joanna Dark on November 24, 2013, 06:35:27 PM
In the largest study of transsexuals and sexual identity (over 3,000 trans women), 66 percent, or two-thirds, identified as lesbian. So, it seems it is much more common than trans women who like men. But maybe I just like to be rare like a diamond. But anecdotally it certainly is true.

Could a large part of this be, many of us were attracted to women for so long before transition that it continued.  Or? People in relationships with women who stayed together after transition?   And were all of them post transition or on HRT.  Ive heard people say their preference flips with hormones.

Quote from: Sophia Hawke on November 24, 2013, 07:34:22 PM
Could a large part of this be, many of us were attracted to women for so long before transition that it continued.  Or? People in relationships with women who stayed together after transition?   And were all of them post transition or on HRT.

I tend to lean more towards this idea.

Quote from: Ashey on November 24, 2013, 08:05:59 PM
I tend to lean more towards this idea.

I just say that because, when i first came out, men were a no-go.  I've warmed up to the idea quite a bit thus far, and i might even flip to straight after HRT instead of BI.   I'm really just not sure if ill get past the romantic soft nature of alot of women, ive been more or less attracted to them for the last 28ish years of my life.  I've gotten curious on a time but alot of that i think is just wanting to be treated like a girl.  So i think ill be letting those chips fall where they may after HRT.