Anyone else had great results on Spiro only?  I have been on Spiro for 7 months and have had:

Softer and less oily skin
Reduced body hair
New peach fuzz at hairline
Stomach fat reduced but no overall weigh change
Thighs, chest and upper arms gained fat ( at least 2 inches to each)
Past few week had sore nipples with swollen nods behind and puffy nipples
I am calmer and more relaxed
Much happier
Libido finally in check

So my question is what more would Estrogen do?  Seems to me that on Spiro my T is so low that my natural estrogen levels have made me close to estrogen dominate?  I've read that free T can get converted to estrogen so maybe that's what's happening with me?

Thoughts?

Kay

I have no results yet, but I'm interested!!
I will be doing Spiro only (or possibly very low dose E - if my endo think's that's a better idea)... From December 26 to May/June.

Did you have acne pre-spiro?   I only ask since some people report their acne goes away when they start hormones.  My only option for acne treatment right now is Erythromycin which costs over 400 per month OOP, since im allergic to the tetracycline class of drugs.

Thinking of pestering my GP for spiro or something like.

Thanks all

Joules, you make alot of sense.  I have had heat waves and when I sweat, its in gallons since being on Spiro.  Now I understand why the crazy sweating.  I think you are right that I don't have enough of  a hormone (either T or E) to make me physically regulated.  I would like an orchi but haven't got my wife totally ok with it yet but that just saves me money on spiro and I wouldn't have to drink 20 gallons a day of water.

I think I need to start E in January.   My only concern on starting E is that I have responded well to Spiro only and kinda fear major and fast changes from E that perhaps me and those in my life are not ready for.  I have gained some boobs on spiro but on E if they grow quickly, I'm not sure how to handle as I am only out to my wife and my therapist.  I think taking E will force me OUT before I am ready.  I mean, how long can you hide boobs?  The other changes I can hide for awhile but boob?

Hugs

Kay

I'll back Joules up on that one. Another side effect of no sex hormone in the system is osteoporosis due to poor calcium absorption. It would take years probably, but still something to consider.

Quote from: Joules on November 24, 2013, 04:26:49 PM
I believe the endocrine system will operate fairly well on just a low level of E, that should at least make the change much slower, and you'd get the benefit of added mental changes that most MTFs find when taking E.  I warn you, there is a very strong appeal to the girl juice, you may not be happy with a low dose for very long!

I struggle a little with continuing to present male for the time being.  I had hoped by starting E mid-Summer, I'd have the Winter to hide any feminizing.  It has sorta worked, all except for the late warm weather as my girls showed up sooner than I expected.  Looking back, I think I over reacted because I wasn't used to having breasts, they weren't really so obvious.  It is fairly easy to hide significant breasts with just a sports bra and a few added layers (t-shirt, baggy dress shirt).  Our weather is still mild, I just wear a t-shirt and a jean jacket that covers my chest enough to just seem like I have a large chest (which I do but there is something added as well lol).

My game plan is to just kind of ease into a female presentation.  My hair is getting longer, I wear some small blue spheres in my pierced ears but I also often go out without shaving.  It's fun to watch people try to read me!  I suppose I come off as a very large andro-fem curiosity right now.  I'll just extend that as long as I need to, it might even become my permanent style.

Can't wait for mine to really show up.  Well, as long as i can fend off the dirty old men in my taxicab.   Some guys go nuts over my fake ones, even after than know half of it is a sock.


Have you filled out a wardrobe complete with accessories?  Youll find out, its alot more than you'd expect you would need.  There is def a reason girls have tons of clothes and accessories.

Quote from: Joules on November 24, 2013, 07:26:04 PM...or killer boots. 

Like the pair being worn by your totally hot new avatar?

Quote from: Joules on November 24, 2013, 07:26:04 PM

  Adolescence sucks maybe even more the second time around.

Its a different kinda sucks though than the first time.  I always think, esp when i get hit on, your basically hitting on a 14 year old, since thats pretty much where im at socially with it.   At least this time around, even without the hormones, my own behavior makes alot more sense in relation to how people behave when im being treated like a girl.  Where as before the interactions never made and ounce of sense to me and were always awkward.

Quote from: Joules on November 24, 2013, 07:56:18 PM
This makes a lot of sense to me Sophia, not from the stand point of being hit on, but just how the world is soooo much less nonsensical now.

Yeah, i only threw that in there because thats where it becomes most relevant.    I did not socially interact that much before coming out.  And when i was guy, or even in relationships, the two i had(alot of my male social interaction was spent trying to pick up girls  lol)  it made no sense.  I also threw that in there, because socially, ive never seen so much attention in the rest of my life combined.   I used to walk into the bar across the street from my house where literally everyone in town knew who was and people would be startled by my presence or refer to me as a ninja.  I'm really not all that passable, though i make a serious effort,  But every time ive gone out, esp lately, i actually have to push them off me.(Although, i guess i do see alot of cis-women doing the same).  Thats the part to me, that sucks.  Men are alot scarier than i thought, and probably more than they know or are even aware.

Quote from: Sophia Hawke on November 24, 2013, 08:09:50 PM
Men are alot scarier than i thought, and probably more than they know or are even aware.

Like, a huge dog running at you to lick your face?

Quote from: Sophia Hawke on November 24, 2013, 07:44:13 PM
Its a different kinda sucks though than the first time.  I always think, esp when i get hit on, your basically hitting on a 14 year old, since thats pretty much where im at socially with it.   At least this time around, even without the hormones, my own behavior makes alot more sense in relation to how people behave when im being treated like a girl.  Where as before the interactions never made and ounce of sense to me and were always awkward.

As long as you're not also hitting on 14 year old boys... It makes sense how it must be difficult learning to rebuild your view of society as it rebuilds its view of you. (Not to mention your adolescent sexuality... I have a true 2nd puberty to look forward to -- still... should go better than the 1st).

Quote from: Ashey on November 24, 2013, 08:27:46 PM
Like, a huge dog running at you to lick your face?

If men are like that... let them come! (♥ Dogs... even, or even especially the licky ones -- my licky dog is sick ).

Quote from: kabit on November 24, 2013, 11:59:54 PM
As long as you're not also hitting on 14 year old boys... It makes sense how it must be difficult learning to rebuild your view of society as it rebuilds its view of you. (Not to mention your adolescent sexuality... I have a true 2nd puberty to look forward to -- still... should go better than the 1st).

If men are like that... let them come! (♥ Dogs... even, or even especially the licky ones -- my licky dog is sick ).

Lol Gross.   I'm pretty much creepified when i get hit on every time.

And yeah Ashey haha pretty much lol.  If i only i could find some cuter ones