Personally, ill always think of myself as trans even if I had everything done.  Hypothetically, if i were to have bottom surgery & top and was on testosterone would I still be defined as trans just because I had to take testosterone?

I was born female, but assigned male at birth. I can't blame the doctors (the only intersex condition I have is being transgender). If I get the surgery I have the option to change my birth certificate to F. I don't know if I would... I won't be stealth.

But that doesn't change who I was or the path I am taking now. Being transgender means being strong, facing incredible opposition, facing all odds (they are not in our favor) and coming out victorious. I'll always be transgender.

Quote from: TrojanMan on November 27, 2013, 10:08:54 AM
Personally, ill always think of myself as trans even if I had everything done.  Hypothetically, if i were to have bottom surgery & top and was on testosterone would I still be defined as trans just because I had to take testosterone?

I found that people have very different thoughts about that. I know some people consider it like a birth defect so that if they do the above they, while wouldn't be cis, they still would feel that they are "transitioned" (past tense). I personally consider that I am trans regardless and really identify that way. I think that your brain tells you how you will identify and basically everything here is valid. (I have been on T for 9 months and a month post-op for top surgery.)

--Jay

That's a good question I personally wouldn't consider myself trans for my whole life, I was never female in my oppinion and I'm sure others would agree, I could care less about my outward appearence, I think after you have transitioned it wouldn't make since to keep callin myself a transmen, Like if I was 20 somethin years old If I already transitioned my past is my past so I'm leaving it behind so I can go towards my future, If I keep living in what was or what I use to have or was in some peoples oppinion, In others words you can't get to your future if your stuck in the past, Especially if you have a significant other and you settled down no one would need to know accept her in my case, But I will not call myself a transman for the rest of my life

I consider myself male.  I don't identify as trans.  The trans community knows me as trans but I am stealth for the most part.  I dislike outing myself as trans because I feel like I am pulling my pants down in public; that when people know I'm trans they wonder about my junk and I don't like the way that makes me feel.

My birth certificate now says male.  I am male.  End of story.

I am out as gay, though.  Because I am.


Jay

Quote from: TrojanMan on November 27, 2013, 10:08:54 AM
Personally, ill always think of myself as trans even if I had everything done.  Hypothetically, if i were to have bottom surgery & top and was on testosterone would I still be defined as trans just because I had to take testosterone?

IMO no, you would not be cis.  You would still be trans because you transitioned from one sex to the other.  Cis people were born in the right sex.  Trans people were not. 

Quote from: sneakersjay on November 27, 2013, 12:29:58 PM
I consider myself male.  I don't identify as trans.  The trans community knows me as trans but I am stealth for the most part.  I dislike outing myself as trans because I feel like I am pulling my pants down in public; that when people know I'm trans they wonder about my junk and I don't like the way that makes me feel.

I feel the same as Jay.

For me, I will always classify myself as a transman, at least in the privacy in my own home.  I hesitate to even classify myself as a male.  I was born a female and no matter what I do or how many surgeries I get, I will always remain a biological female.  If they were to dig my bons up after I die, they would discover female bones.  My chromosomes will always remain female.  It's a tough thing for me to accept, but I'm getting there slowly.  It doesn't bother me like it originally did because I don't care what my chromosomes or bones say.  I am a man.  For me, male does not equal man.  Now for the sake of simplicity and safety, I will identify as a cisman to the majority of the world, aside from my partner, my doctor, Big Brother, the NSA, the trans community, a few select friends, and my family.

CIS as a prefix to gendered was developed in order to distinguish between people who match the gender they were assigned at birth, just as trans is used as a prefix to indicate a person who did NOT match their assigned gender. 

The reason for this is that we as people needed a way to distinguish between the two without fumbling around with offensive terms like "normal", which implies that the other case is "abnormal".  It's just a tool.

But yes, in my opinion, you can make your outside body match your inner gender, and at that point for all intents and purposes you may as well have been born with a body and mind that matched up.  However, since you have transitioned, since you have *fought* your biology to become the person you are at that point, you will always be a little bit *more*.  For one thing, a person who has transitioned will almost certainly be more appreciative than someone born into a matching body, because they had to *work* for it, and they *know* what it is like to mismatch.

*hug*

I don't identify myself as trans, but I accept the fact that I'm classified as trans, and don't have a problem with that. In the future, after all surgeries and hormones than I choose to have and have finished my transition I'll still be classed as trans. I can't say that I'm cis, because I haven't had the full experience of a cis male, and as a trans person I've had some unique experiences.

After I have the surgeries and pass as male 100% of the time, I see no need to tell others that I was born a girl.

While you wont have ot tell people, its not going to magically go back in time and make you biologically male.. so no, it wont make you "cis gendered"

Quote from: geek on November 28, 2013, 05:22:28 AM
While you wont have ot tell people, its not going to magically go back in time and make you biologically male.. so no, it wont make you "cis gendered"

I disagree, cis means opposite "being comfortable in your body and no brain and body mismatch" so techniqually after you have transitioned you no longer would consider yourself a transmale you already transitioned no need to.

Having transitioned and having SRS at 24, I considered that to be correcting a birth defect, in effect being cured of being transsexual and never carried an asterisk. If others have trouble with my ancient medical history TOUGH!. Does a person born with a cleft pallet carry an asterisk? Does someone who's club foot was surgically corrected have to carry an asterisk? HAVING to always identify with a congenital abnormality is just a sign of a SICK society! It happens because of other people's fears and insecurities! JMHO.

At this point, I believe I'd still think of myself as transgender, not for my medical history, but because I think my life would have been significantly different had I been born with the average male body.

Basically, having to transition has affected my existence enough that I would still see it as part of me, even if I am ever completely satisfied with my body. That doesn't mean I'd want to share my identity with just anyone, though.

Quote from: Brandon on November 28, 2013, 11:04:32 AM
I disagree, cis means opposite "being comfortable in your body and no brain and body mismatch" so techniqually after you have transitioned you no longer would consider yourself a transmale you already transitioned no need to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender

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Cisgender and cissexual (often abbreviated to simply cis) describe related types of gender identity where an individual's self-perception of their gender matches the sex they were assigned at birth.

Quote from: geek on November 28, 2013, 11:17:22 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender

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Cisgender and cissexual (often abbreviated to simply cis) describe related types of gender identity where an individual's self-perception of their gender matches the sex they were assigned at birth.

Well their are many definitions, But after transitioned there is no need to call yourself a trans male you already transitioned thats all I'm sayin

Quote from: Brandon on November 28, 2013, 11:25:47 PM

Well their are many definitions, But after transitioned there is no need to call yourself a trans male you already transitioned thats all I'm sayin

Theres no reason to do that anyway unless you want to

No. Regardless of beliefs or wishes, etc, by definition you can never be cis if your birth assigned sex did not match your gender.

Doesn't mean you have to identify as trans though. I don't. I see being trans as being some medical issue for which I treat with injections and surgery in a private manner, i.e. people don't need to know. So I identify simply as a man. Only those who knew me as my female name know different but anyone new I meet just knows me as Jack without any explanation. Being trans doesn't define me, it's just a medically managed aspect. I look at it as being no different than my life long ear problem that require drugs and surgery. I don't meet someone new and immediately mention that I have inner ear problems so why mention being trans? Neither defines who I am as a person. 

Even if there was some medical breakthrough and I could get an inner ear transplant, I could never say I was born without ear problems, but at the same time I don't have to tell people that I was born with ear problems either.  It's kinda the same idea with cis. 

As already stated, it was specifically designed to better refer to those born the matching sex to gender to avoid fumbling over how to put it without the offensive "normal" statement. That's the only reason for it even existing.

Yes the word cis only exists to keep from calling some people "normal". Normal is a dryer setting.

--Jay

Well no one is society needs to know, and labels are just that, a way to distinguish objects for the purpose of distinguishing them.

All my legal documents are gender marked Female. I just got my new passport today!

No one needs to know your gender, your sexual orientation, your religion or anything, unless you feel some need to tell them.

I think I shall refer to myself as post-trans, I was, I did, I'm done.