Quote from: Contravene on November 28, 2013, 01:28:34 AM

That doesn't make sense and I wonder if you even read the rest of my post. Why would that cause people to not take transmen seriously? It's my opinion on something that causes me dysphoria.

Most of my dysphoria centers around my lack of a male reproductive system but I plan on waiting until technology advances before even considering bottom surgery so finally having bottom surgery and a penis would complete my transition which is why having one is the epitome of me becoming a man. I expected to sound like a jerk because people usually roll their eyes when a guy talks about how much he values that particular part of his body. But get offended all you want, it doesn't change the fact that I don't feel complete without one and I'm sure I'm not the only trans guy to feel that way.

So, care to elaborate on why me wanting a penis makes people not take transmen seriously?

Your not the only one I feel that way, I know I'm male but I wanna feel whole, Wanting a penis would make people take transguys seriously, Atleast that's why people take me serious

Quote from: Brandon on November 27, 2013, 05:23:10 PM

I never said that but you saying your a man and giving birth adds more confusion I don't think that's helping people understand us, Transmen specifically but do whatever floats your boat

It definitely creates confusion. Not  sure this is a horrible thing, but I agree it probably does. I am of the opinion that the whole gender thing is much more complex than two discrete genders, but then that's me.

I don't have any problem being taken seriously. I am OUT as trans, people know I am trans. It seems to me they just ignore it. The treat me as male because I look male. Maybe if they thought about it for awhile, it would occur to me that I don't have the same equipment, but I don't think people are bothered by it for the most part. A couple people have asked me about "the surgery". OY!


--Jay

I look at male and female in the medical sense, as referring to body and chemical structure as sex defined characteristics and man and woman as gender definition. Does being pregnant make you less of a man? Well no. There are dudes, though extremely few, who say they would do it if poss...and even fewer actually would if it was possible. But it is, by definition, the most feminine thing someone could do. Only a female body can get pregnant. By definition, medically speaking, this is truth. So saying being pregnant doesn't make you less male, is false. It makes you the exact polar opposite of male, which is why so many transguys have a problem with it. Being pregnant is only possible in a female body with way more female hormones than a regular female. I personally can't wrap my head around why any transguy would want it. I know we're all different but personally I understand a CIS-man considering the idea more understandable than a transguy, for cis-men are thinking of the unknown while transguys know what it is to live in a female body. If they're dysphoric enough like that, why amplify it? 

The brother option sounds like the best bet in my opinion, better for you and baby. You can't be on T and pregnant so going on t would be delayed, and if you have top surgery you wouldn't be able to breast feed which is always best for the baby when possible. 

It also could send the wrong message to the already present daughter that you are so desperate to have a kid that's part you, like they're not good enough for your love because you're not the real dad.

Family is nothing to do with blood and that should be an absolute last connection factor in my opinion. I live thousands of miles away from unaccepting blood related family. I now have surrogate parents who are more family to me than anyone blood related.

I also hate Thomas Beattie. If you wanna be a pregnant transguy, go ahead and do it in private. But trying to be some unwanted advocate for pregnant tranguys all over TV and magazines wasn't asked for and it sure as hell didn't help us.

Quote from: thatboyfresh on November 28, 2013, 12:07:20 PM
It's not about wanting one , if I could have one I would. But to say that it's the epitome of being male is what so many people use as an argument to say transmen are not "real" men, being a "real" man is about having a penis.
I wasn't downplaying your dysphoria I am sorry if it came off that way. I know it is different for everyone! but in your previous post it sounded like you were making a generalized statement of I think that the epitome of being male, from a purely physical standpoint, is having a fully functioning penis meaning that men aren't really men unless they have one, not that for YOU this is what would make you feel like a complete man.

I wasn't making a generalized statement for all transmen but I can see how it might come across that way. I thought my previous posts here would put things into context though since I said a couple times that others will feel differently than I do about these things and that I was speaking for what causes me dysphoria.

The rest of the quote was

Quote from: Contravene on November 27, 2013, 09:03:40 PM
At the risk of sounding like a complete jerk... I think that the epitome of being male, from a purely physical standpoint, is having a fully functioning penis.

Of course, that's just how I feel though and it probably gives some insight into my messed up mind. People value different things so everyone has and is entitled to their own opinion of what the epitome of being male or female is.

I guess that wasn't clear enough but I don't want to derail the thread anymore over a piece of a post that was taken out of context.