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They pretty ruined me. What to do now ?

Started by Mirian, November 30, 2013, 12:57:05 PM

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Mirian

Hi sisters. I'm new, I'm from Italy, I'm alone with my troubles here. I decided to subscribe
to Susan's place because there're actually no proper and competent places here where to
find help, discuss, and where people is available to share their problems and experiences.
Here they seem mostly concerned with activism and politics and such stuff, which I don't
care definitely. Everybody is reluctant to speak of personal issues and problems, keeping
most things for themselves, even if behind anonimity. Well I can even understand that, I'm
completely stealth, as you say, and nobody must know of my past ! But what to do when you're
completely desperate ? You can't even trust doctors - here but perhaps that's true
worldwide, they seem only interested in making money over and over at suffering people's
expense. And I'm just that, a girl who had a bad life and who always suffered because of a
faulty body, which needed surgical and medical attention, not so different from a girl
born with androgen insensitivity syndrome or vaginal aplasia, just... a bit more unlucky.
I hope you will forgive my poor English since as I told I'm Italian speaking, also I feel
a little uncomfortable being perhaps the only (or one of the few) oversea people here,
but I hope you can help me the same ! I also hope this my first (and long!) message can act
as a valid presentation too.

Well. Or not so... I started HRT at about 16 and I had my SRS in 2002 in Trieste, Italy,
with the surgeon Trombetta which, even to date, is deemed officially and theorically the
number one HERE - but you'll learn more later on. I was 29 then, and I'm 40 now.
He used the standard peno-scrotal inversion technique. Well I must specify that at those
times I was not so prepared and skilled with this regard as I am today after years of
readings and research over the Internet.

I had no means initially to judge the work he did on me. I could just appreciate the
fact that I came out functional enough and without major complications, I mean, I am well
orgasmic, sensate and I reported no troubles with my urinary or bowel functions. I simply
had no reference terms to compare the work made on me with works made on other girls, and
for me the very fact of coming out still alive and well thru such a physical stress was a temporary
relief (it took me six hours of surgery + hemorragy + transfusion and about six monts to
heal completely). To the point that I somehow had put everything apart as just a past
experience for about 10 years. The point is, I underwent SRS without expecting any miracles,
and without any additional references. Thus, initially, I assumed what they did with me was
even over my expectations. Well, now I can tell it went very bad, instead.
"You'll never be like a real girl, don't delude yourself" - my mom was saying to me.
And I tended to accept that until recently.
Even aesthetically I wasn't quite able to judge my result, since I'm definitely not a
lesbian and I had never seen that many GG's vulvae.

The only evident faults, which I realized almost immediately when I started healing, were a
partial prolapse of the vaginal lining, ugly to see but which however did not impede
dilation and penetration, and also a very disappointing shallowness of about 2-2 1/2 inches
(yeah you read correctly: I'm just TWO, max TWO and HALF inches deep).
But, I repeat once more, I believed they did with me all the best available. My surgeon
always assured me I'm good looking and ok, when he checks me, I came out so fine, and I
simply believed him blindly.

Well, ever since those dilation post-op times I was sadly realizing that, even if I
actually felt pleasurable sensations playing with my vulva/clitoral area, and I managed to
reach my first orgasm as short as 15 days post op, vaginal penetration was not a pleasure
at all - as I greatly hoped instead. Just think that they gave me a 12 cm stent (about 5
in.) which fitted just half ways in, to keep inside 24/7 the first month, then all night
long for 3 months, and that was a pain in the V, literally.
No way to increase depth with dilating: keep in mind that it's an urban legend and such will
remain. My middle plus ring fingers didn't fit completely then as they don't now, its depth
simply never changed.
But what is worst, the feelings from penetration are ugly, no matter how much lubricant I
use: I can still feel that nasty scrotal skin inside being touched, and then, when the
bottom is reached, stretched painfully, when I try to push all the ways in, as if it would
be next to tear. No matter how much I can be aroused, those feelings are discomforting
enough to turn any arousment off. I managed to get a vaginal orgasm just once, with a rubber
dildo, but it was tiring and required a lot of concentration.
I will never be able to have sex with a boy this way, I thought, and once more I tried to
accept that.

In spite of that, I wanted to give it a try, and it was the first and last time.
It happened one year after my SRS, with a boy who I really didn't feel so attracted to, but
I liked him enough and he liked me also.
Luckily enough, he didn't clock my genitals, as you say, he was just pointing out (but
lovely) about me being a bit strange, a bit dry and a bit tighty down there, but the
intercourse was painful and disappointing - as I anticipated after all.
So I put sex aside and set my earth off since. Even because my heart is so difficult...
unfortunately I tend to fall in love with younger boys than me only, but that is still
another matter... I'm not ugly, I'm naturally female and fine, but still not a miss, so I
have zero chances with the toy-boys I love so much (well perhaps the same would apply if
I were a GG). Just add my short and anorgasmic vagina to that, to the disaster...

No, that's not all yet, unfortunately. Because with the time passing by, I realized more
and more all the mess they made to me. Well, since beginning I noticed how my small labia
and uretral meatus tend to swell abnormally when I'm aroused, to the point of appearing
as a piece of cut penis still in place, literally, or better, as an umbrella filled with
erectile tissue, being ugly to see and also causing me troubles to pee when aroused and for
sometime after that. And again, I was thinking it was normal and they couldn't do anything
better.

And only recently, I found the spirit to go search with google for pictures of SRS results.
Well, sadly, I almost had a stroke. I can tell that the worst results I could find (if we
exclude some serious complications, of course) look still better and more realistic than my
genitals.

WELL I CAN NOW ADMIT THEY REALLY MADE A DISASTER WITH ME, and that EVERYTHING I ACCEPTED I
COULD INSTEAD PRETEND TO HAVE DONE BETTER SINCE BEGINNING. BUT THAT'S THE PROBLEM: I FEAR
IT'S NOW TOO LATE FOR A REMEDY. Such a work must be done well in the first place, I fear any
fix I can undergo will now result in further damages.

So, here's finally a list of what I got from prof. Trombetta, minuses and pluses:

-Shallow and dry vagina of about 2 1/2 inches, painful and inadequate for normal
intercourses
-Partial vaginal prolapse (since beginning)
-Erectile tissue left in place inside the little labia and around the urethra
-Ugly overall aspect, with total absence of major labia, and minor labia which are
asymmetrical, bumpy, and too short which neither cover nor reach the vaginal opening

+Nice clitoris with hood
+Pleasureable sensations and orgasmicity (excluding the vagina, of course)
+Lack of serious functional complications

I don't think I still need to issue my desperate question, if you could follow my story
so far... it would sound something like what to do now, and expecially WHERE.
I can just guess my work should be remade from scratch, and that is perhaps no longer
possible. Also, I don't feel I have the strength again (both physically and phsychically)
to undergo a complete revision, maybe involving colonvaginoplasty, removal of residual
corpora cavernosa and labiaplasty, and all that without any warranty that I won't
come out even worst, and maybe even full of pain and other issues.

Also, I'll perhaps never know whether I was just a rare, unlucky case, or I actually
ended up having surgery with somebody who thinks he's a genius while he's instead a
butcher, perhaps the less butcher one in a country where the SRS quality standards are,
as somebody recently starts suggesting, ways under the world's standards... well I
don't know that now and I knew even less yesterday. The only thing I knew yesterday is that
I would haven't accepted to have such a serious surgical experience oversea, including all
the related issues: flyghts, language, additional costs, fear of being far from home. But
perhaps, if I only had figured out that... who knows.

But now I MUST decide: either to go on with fighting, venturing my health and my future life
(I already almost lost my past one), OR just to accept all that definitely, keeping my head
under the sand again for the rest of my life, as I did in the last 10 years...

Thanks for listening to my bad story...
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Nero

Hi Mirian. Your English is fine and we have a lot of overseas people here. I'm sorry to hear about your situation. I think a first step would be to ask a surgeon known for doing good revisions. He can tell you what can be done. Many have had successful revisions, so please don't think it's hopeless just yet. I'm a guy, so don't have a lot of information, but the girls here can probably give you the names of surgeons good with revision work.

Welcome!
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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TerriT

Hi Miriam. I'm sorry to hear what you have been through. Yes, there are surgeons who do reconstructive surgery which I believe is much less invasive. Please dig into the SRS section. Hopefully somebody here will be able to point you in the right direction. Don't give up!
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Jamie D

Thank you very much, Mirian, for posting your experience.

I am sorry to hear, after all this time, you find out that your result was substandard.  As Tiffany said, there do exist revision techniques.  As I recall, some of the girls here have had a "colon vaginoplasty" revision.

You might want to search on that term here on the site, and on the net.

Let me add just one more comment.  When your Mother said to you, "You'll never be like a real girl, don't delude yourself," she was wrong.  You are a girl.
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MiaOhMya!

Mirian!  :icon_hug: There many nations represented on this site, and myself I am of three nationalities. To be honest I'm not even sure where the site is based, but we are a diverse group.

If this story were myself, I would try to keep fighting! Today I have fought for what I have and not everything is perfect, but it is better than if I did nothing. Some things do take more than one try. I am sorry about the surgery you had, that is not fair, however you should not give up when there is still so much chance of fixing it. To give up now so close to your goal I think would leave you wondering "what if?" for the rest of your life.

Also In my opinion your privates should not make you hide away from people. Obviously it is a problem when dating, but maybe there is someone out there right now who is waiting to love you for who you are , but you and they will never get the chance if you cannot find each other.

Successful surgery might make you more confident for a little while, but in my experience we stay the same person until we truly allow ourselves to change..and that is something we must bring from inside ourselves.

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Mirian

Thank you all for your nice words !!
Yes I'm a real girl... until the moment I think again I can't enjoy sex cos I'm shallow, painful and not nice
downstairs :(
A surgeon being known for good revisions ? Well, not so easy... it has been since months now that I'm
searching over and over for those topics all around and I can tell I could still decide nothing. It's too risky.
As you understood, it's not only about labiaplasty. I think I learnt pretty everything about colonvaginoplasty
but I fear it as hell. Firstly it's an invasive and long surgery, with many risks of complications and risks of
getting a still intact and well working colon damaged forever. Second, I read of too many bad things, like
bad smelling secretions requiring to wear pads forever, divertion colitis, abdominal pain when penetrated...
I also need removal of lots of erectile tissue left in place... but why did they leave that in place, damn !!!!
I also fear I could come out anorgasmic and lose most sensitivity !
It's really hard to decide anything, for me :'(
Ok I could even go back to my original surgeon, he's available to do all that, he told me... but what the
hell, he already ruined me once, I can't run into this risk !

Oh, I heard of a new experimental technique for vaginoplasty using self-donor oral mucosa, do you know
whether is there already some surgeon somewhere who does that succesfully ? Think that I was almost
happy I had found one here in Italy, but a bit later somebody warned me to stay away, for he already
ruined at least four girls !

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Mirian

Mmm... thanks for that link & video. Quoting the last message there:

"As this is very new to Him & I have only been told by His Clinical Nurse I do not want to put it out on the Public forum at the Moment."

What I understood is it's still top secret/experimental stuff. There're perhaps no available follow-up data
yet to evaluate long term results and complications. Risks are he might be another pioneer like prof. Dessy's,
Rome, I was speaking previously, the one who attempted with oral mucosa, maybe full of good will and
intentions but with still unpredictable and unrealiable results...

I will do some search, though.
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Randi

Dr. Miroslav L. Djordjevic, in Belgrade, Serbia has a good reputation for fixing problems like you have.

Randi
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Mirian

Randi, are perhaps you talking of this staff ?

http://www.genitalsurgerybelgrade.com

Because I already stumbled across this site while searching for SRS revisions...
They also have some explicit pages, this one for example:

http://www.genitalsurgerybelgrade.com/mtf_surgery_detail.php?Vaginoplasty-re-do-5

The 'fixed' postop results are quite horrible, though, I think... I don't know whether or not I can judge
from those photos, but I'm quite concerned...
I should hear some first person experiences of girls revisioned by them to be sure...
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Mirian

A little update of my situation, if anybody may be interested to read it...

I recently got in contact with an angel or kind of... a girl from my country who had even a
worst surgical experience than mine, and standing to her, even a worst outcome. Yes, this is
(or simply was?) definitely a country of butchers, or so it seems. But I was impressed by her
strenght, by her capability of having accepted her situation and learned to love herself
anyway. After having talked with her the first times, he gave me suggestions and also
trustful, hopeful words. She encouraged me to start my dilations again, before other things,
against my skepticism. And so I resumed my old rubber dildo... without really any hope to find
anything new, or to feel anything better than the last times I had put something inside there...
that was in my first post-op months, I mean, and also in that definitely unpleasant, loveless sexual
intercourse about one year later.
Well a miracle happened. The thing made its way in, and it wasn't so bad after all... the pain when
reaching the bottom was less severe than in the past. More a discomfort than actual pain.
And, I didn't believe it, I could reach an orgasm... then another... then almost a third one !
And my V definitely gave me more of a sensation of being a real part of me, not just a
painful pocket of skin. I felt as I discovered a new part of my body, which previously was
only cause of concerns and frustration. Since then I got the habit of enjoying this game
at least once a week, and I always reached an O. It's now already 5 or 6 times...
Also, already the second time I realized that my dildo (upon arousal) reached in as much
as 10-12 cm vs. the 6-7 it did initially... OMG my friend made a miracle ! And I suddently
told her of that.

Ok I'm always ugly, horrible to see down there, and I SHALL definitely undergo some revisions,
at least to take off all the residual erectile tissue, to give my inner labia a more natural
shape, and (if possible) to create outer labia, since I always missed them. And no, I'm still
wondering where to go and when. I fear of further disasters. Sometimes I suspect that a
"plain" plastic surgeon, like those who usually practice labiaplasty to normal (good for them)
women, could be better than a SRS butcher for me. The latter ones usually deem their patients as
beasts, but well valuable ones ($$), while the former maybe still deem their patients as people
with every rights to conduct a good, decent life and to feel themselves as most normal as they can.

But at least my vagina is ok and functional, and I can avoid the surgery I feared the most,
to redo it, or to just increase its depth. Who cares... it works after all !
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Tristan

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TerriT

Hey, thanks for the update and congratulations on your O's :D
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Mirian

Thanks lovely girls... yes it's almost Spring, after all :-)

My hope is that going on this way, and maybe even hardly, I could really gain more depth.
After all the Vecchietti procedure works this way... even if in a somehow accelerated fashion...
Now I just still have to find the proper inclination to minimize discomfort and let pleasure taking over
any other feelings. If I push it too much towards the rectum, I feel a kind of rectal discomfort or
almost pain (but I suspect they're some nerves rather), while if I push it too much towards the
bladder neck then I feel ugly urinary sensations, like if I had to pee. I suspect that if I just could
gain still some depth, in order for my V to bottom up a bit over that point, things will simply improve...


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