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Started by Riley Skye, December 02, 2013, 12:17:52 AM

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Riley Skye

So I'm finally interested in and wanting to start dating. To start I have a strong preference to saying other girls. My problem is I have absolutely no experience nor any clue what to do. I need some advice and a bit of coaching of what I can do to meet other girls and get a date. I've tried to ask girls out in the past only to get rejected time and time again being told that they just want to be friends. I feel there's just something I've been doing that simply doesn't work especially since all my friends seem to be happily coupled, the ones who I no longer talk to.
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kariann330

Only thing i can suggest is Confidence and a smile. Those two things can get.you anywhere in life. Also don't be afraid to weed thru the crazy ones and the flat out creepy ones to get to the people who really matter in life.
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ganjina

I've had a few cis-male and MtF friends ask me this kind of question, so I've given it some thought for a long while already. In summary:

I think for me it was definitely overcoming my insecurities. Once I felt confident about who I was, what I wanted in a partner and why, confident that I needed NOT ANY APROVAL from anyone ever, and could be myself and do what myself wants to do instead of what mommy or society tells you just because that how it is MEANT TO BE (as long as you don't hurt anyone of course), suddenly all the relating and flirting kind of came in a natural, fun way. The constant fears and insecurities about if doing so or so was OK in a date or or to get a date were actually dragging everything down but then started to go away.

I think most genetic male are led to believe by society or family that you need to get the girl  to approve of you -and of course you have to in at least some way in order to not be a rapist-, that you have to sort of convince her or proof her that you are the right material,  but to do so I think it is key to not worry about "asking her out" or "if she likes me or not" and instead just focus on enjoying yourself, be happy and have a good time, not kiss up and tolerate irrespectful behavior THEN everything will click naturally. I really think the assumptions behind this whole concept of "asking her out" really send you in the wrong direction, in a direction of neediness and needing approval, which is quite the turn off, instead of the direction of feeling right, having fun, and finding people who want to also have fun and feel alright with you. And I do not mean "fun" as in a one night stand or something, but long lasting "fun" and comfort with your partner in your daily life.

I think this whole asking her out thing has to become a no big deal, fun, casual thing focused in having a good time (instead of being fearful about getting turned down or judged wrongly) in order for it to work consistently. I could not repeat enough how so many genetic male are somehow lead to feel fearful and nervous about dating and asking her out for so many years while they grow up and later on in their lives. It just builds up anxiety and neediness, whereas it should just be a casual, fun thing, because relationships are in good part about constant mutual positive feeling. That will not happen (or with difficulty) when you are getting dragged down again and again by your fears and having second thoughts about you relating with *that* person. It is hard or nearly impossible to be an attractive person when your mind is full of second thoughts and fears. When you are having fun and feeling right about yourself it is just magnetic to other people.

You cannot obviously start feeling secure and get rid of all your doubts at once, but I think one can take baby steps towards that, and find out that you know, whatever happens it will be ok, and you just learn from your mistakes. For me I kind of had to get out and do them just get to feel that it will be ok anyway, sooner or later you get some sense of self and confidence and get a hang about it. You cannot do that and learn and get over yourself by "closing up" to opportunities like maybe talking to someone who looks nice out there or going out to some social gathering due to fear of getting turned down by someone you like. And when you do so, you have to genuinely feel that it is alright, that it is your right to do any of those things, and that the important thing is not wether it works or not, but for you to have fun and feel alright! So go have fun I say, then eventually things will turn your way!

Never had some abusive jerk to whom one of your female friends or a relative was deeply attracted? Am NEVER in for being a jerk because that is just wrong, but you can see that the jerk is focused about good feelings, having fun and doing whatever feels right to his twisted point of view, and never looks for approval or needs it. And he gets tons of dates.
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Ltl89

I don't have much advice, but I wanted to wish you luck.  I'm on the reverse side of things (straight), but I too wish I knew where to start.  It's just so complicated.  How far are you in your transition?  Are you living as female full time?  For me, it's the in between stage and not knowing how to properly disclose my trans status that makes me avoid dating.  It's just too hard to sort out and share with another person.  If you are full time, I would just try to get involved in gay social settings and meeting other lesbians.  While some may have rejected you, there will be someone special that will one day come along.  As much as we may want to force things, they tend to just fall into place when you meet someone with the right chemistry.  Just be you and confident in that.  The right person will come along in time.
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Katie

This might not be popular but I really believe that when someone is pre op they should not be dating. Pre op days are days of learning and such. Dating is one of those way down on the learning list things...........

Now after SRS then dating is a far more viable idea. See the general world expects your body parts to match and if they don't well lets see here lesbians like vaginas so they don't want a girl with a ..... you know. Guys well they want a girl with a vagina as well. Sure there are guys out there that will date a pre op girl but from what I have observed they tend to be creepy, disgusting, and only wanting one thing sex. As a matter of fact they often want sex in ways that most women would say no.......

So there you have it. You might get lucky dating pre op but then hey you might also win the lottery...... I never play the lottery though..

Katie



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ganjina

Quote from: Katie on December 02, 2013, 10:08:27 AM
This might not be popular but I really believe that when someone is pre op they should not be dating. Pre op days are days of learning and such. Dating is one of those way down on the learning list things...........

Now after SRS then dating is a far more viable idea. See the general world expects your body parts to match and if they don't well lets see here lesbians like vaginas so they don't want a girl with a ..... you know. Guys well they want a girl with a vagina as well. Sure there are guys out there that will date a pre op girl but from what I have observed they tend to be creepy, disgusting, and only wanting one thing sex. As a matter of fact they often want sex in ways that most women would say no.......

So there you have it. You might get lucky dating pre op but then hey you might also win the lottery...... I never play the lottery though..

Katie

Uhmm I would not agree regarding what I've seen here as I have a couple MtF friends who have been in a happy relationship, one with a girl one with a guy for a few months and a couple of years respectively, both pre-OP. As far as I know they did not have to learn anything in particular that had to wait post-op and get along with their lives just fine. Of course you'd find dozens more of exemples suggesting the opposite point of mine, but I do not think it is a one in a bazillion blind chances like a lottery, you can sort of get to the right places where you are more likely to find the right people that you want. Hopefully I will add myself to the list in a few weeks time when I start HRT. If you can manage to get on with a happy life including a healthy, helpful relationship I do not see why you should avoid it.
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Riley Skye

First I'm not yet full time and I'm in the awkward in between stage of passing and not. From what I've seen from others is that you have to genuinely enjoy each other. I personally like to go with the flow but I've always been bad with initiating anything like talking to someone to asking them out. To me I just want to have some fun with that person and just connect with them. I always seem to get on people good side and befriend them but that's where it ends, seriously no one has ever viewed me as dating material but maybe it's because I tried, and still do, as an awkward guy. I know I can't force something that's not there.

Katie tbh I thought that post was offensive, have a penis should not preclude me from having a girlfriend. Yes there are people where it is a deal breaker but not everyone, a couple of my mtf friends are currently in relationships actually. It's just a mater of finding the right person, or at least one of them.
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evecrook

You say your looking for girls. does that mean cis or trans. If you want straight girls and presenting both male and female it might be a problem. If you want trans then  just hang out where trans people hang out. If your looking for a serious relationship and your planning on transitioning it's a bigger hurdle to jump to be open and honest with a straight girl. If your looking for a lesbian relation you probably have to wait for the estrogen to make changes then you can go to a lesbian bar and  at least find some one to talk to A good place to start is a  community center to meet people. I'm from Chicago and there's a section on the north side totally committed to  community . You can find all sorts of groups that try to bring people together.
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ganjina

I think Riley just wants a girl that wants him/her as zhe is, maybe in a fluid way even, the labels being secondary to all this? I do not think from the specifics given that the deal breaker necessarily is about being in an akward transition stage... Riley, what do you mean by "trying as an awkward guy"? Trying what exactly, what is it that you do?
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kariann330

Quote from: Katie on December 02, 2013, 10:08:27 AM
This might not be popular but I really believe that when someone is pre op they should not be dating. Pre op days are days of learning and such. Dating is one of those way down on the learning list things...........

Now after SRS then dating is a far more viable idea. See the general world expects your body parts to match and if they don't well lets see here lesbians like vaginas so they don't want a girl with a ..... you know. Guys well they want a girl with a vagina as well. Sure there are guys out there that will date a pre op girl but from what I have observed they tend to be creepy, disgusting, and only wanting one thing sex. As a matter of fact they often want sex in ways that most women would say no.......

So there you have it. You might get lucky dating pre op but then hey you might also win the lottery...... I never play the lottery though..

Katie

Wow the last time i herd something that crazy was when i was in NA.
I have been in a relationship thru all of my transition and believe it or not it helped out a lot....why, because i have the emotional support right here in the same apartment as me, not just from total strangers online. I have someone i can ask if an outfit looks good with a pair of shoes. I have someone to help me learn how to do my makeup. I have someone who if i dida bad job tucking can let me know before i leave the house....not when i get clocked in public and possibly get jumped.
It may be your personal choice to not be in a relationship during transition, but telling someone that they should avoid a relationship or even casual dating is way out of line especially when all of the pros of a relationship GREATLY outweigh the cons.
I need a hero to save me now, i need a hero to save my life, a hero will save me just in time!!

"Don't bother running from a sniper, you will just die tired and sweaty"

Longest shot 2500yards, Savage 110BA 338 Lapua magnum, 15X scope, 10X magnifier. Bipod.
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suzifrommd

Quote from: Riley Skye on December 02, 2013, 12:17:52 AM
I need some advice and a bit of coaching of what I can do to meet other girls and get a date.

Here's what I've got:

1. Make sure that you like and appreciate yourself. If you don't think of yourself as attractive, it's less likely that other people will.
2. Find as many ways to meet people as you can. LGBT meetups. Online dating profiles (though check out the site - some of them have bad reputations). Parties. Telling friends you're up for being fixed up. Etc. There are lots of people who would be right for you, and lots of people who wouldn't. The more people you meet, the more quickly you will meet someone who is right.
3. If you find someone you like, let them know. Don't pressure them (this is a big don't!) but let them know how you feel. Don't be afraid of being rejected. If someone meets you and doesn't want to date you, they're missing out, not you.
4. Don't settle. If someone treats you badly, let them know what you expect. If they still don't respect your wishes, drop them quickly.
5. Have fun. Enjoy meeting and getting to know people. Enjoy the excitement, the flirting, the uncertainty, the adventure.

I can't stress enough how important it is to understand your own attractiveness. You are a caring, loving, interesting, beautiful woman. In short, you are a catch. Anyone who ends up with you will be LUCKY. Anyone who doesn't, well you wouldn't want to date someone with such poor taste anyway, right?

Not much, I know, but it's the best I have. I hope this helps, Riley. Good luck.
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Riley Skye

They or she are my preferred pronouns actually. Ultimately I want to find someone who will accept me for who I am, I'm just more attracted to feminine people, cis or trans. For me I need to be open to potential partners of being trans so they know and when I need it I can get the support I need. So far I've been starting to meet some new people through the lgbt center where I go to my trans group. What I've learned in the past from friendships to failed relationships is to be myself, don't put pressure nor be too needy. When I menat by "an awkward guy" was before my transition when I was still in the closet and identified as male.
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Mogu

I'm not exactly qualified for dating advice, but. Confidence, that gets you places. Just going up to people who look interesting, with confidence you can start something.
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Missy~rmdlm

Um Yes dating, no don't wait for postop.
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ganjina

Hmmm all of what you've said so far reminds me of my female friends, in situations when they like someone but do not end up dating and sort of put him in the "friendship material" basket as you say (it happens often, I think I've had the same talk at least once with all my female friends) the kind of complain I hear aaaaalll the time from their own mouth stuff like she is way too nice, he always does what I want, or its more of a helpful friend feeling than passion, or it's more like she wants to please me than to be intimate with me or he's never a challenge it becomes dull... when I hear those things the way I would interpret it it's that there's some kind of line in the sand where too friendly and too nice becomes sort of predictable and turn-off... and there is something else related to passion, charm, cuteness, chemistry or mystery that makes the girls I've known want him/her and puts date material apart from friend material straight away. The exact describer of *that* thing changes from person to person. I'd bet you have some traits like everyone else to pull out for the world and be admired and wanted.
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Ltl89

While dating pre-op has it's challenges, I have seen enough people do it successfully.  We all feel differently on the subject.  I'm mixed on what to do about intimacey while dating pre-op.  It's complicated and it comes down to personal preference.

Op, please don't blame yourself or think that you are doing something wrong.  We are all special and there are people out there for all of us.  It's not always easy to find and it can be frustrating, but please believe in yourself.  If you being who you are doesn't attract some people, that's okay, because you know what, there are going to be people that will love you for who you are.  It just may take some time and effort to find them.   
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Alainaluvsu

I'm not somebody into women, but I've noticed women like a playful personality. I've had my share of lesbians give me their number or hit on me at a gay bar, and it's usually because I have a little spirit to me when I talk. From what I noticed, lesbians like that.
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Ashey

Quote from: Katie on December 02, 2013, 10:08:27 AM
This might not be popular but I really believe that when someone is pre op they should not be dating. Pre op days are days of learning and such. Dating is one of those way down on the learning list things...........

Wow so SRS or GTFO? I suppose you think non-ops should just remain celibate? -_-

I know from personal experience that there are plenty of people out there that are flexible and don't rigidly adhere to orientation labels. Even if they do, many people are bi or pan, so there are options out there. And never underestimate how far personality and confidence can take you.
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