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Why do trans girls SEEM like such negative nancys?

Started by Joanna Dark, December 16, 2013, 09:32:36 PM

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Violet Bloom

Quote from: big head horsey-face on December 16, 2013, 10:52:37 PM
You want positive?


Ok, I'm not all that ugly.

  I've waited soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo long to hear those beautiful words... <sniffle>...  :'(...

<---passes out and falls off chair unconscious with shock--->

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Katie

#22
Perhaps the reason you dont see so much positivity here is because most of the women that decide to move forward dont have time to mess around with non essential activities like the internet. Sometimes I think people use the internet to live thier dreams in a virtual world. I mean think of it, this is the transsexual zone and do you see some of the posts here? Many are like totally not relevant to the topic.

Or note the small number of people with real photos of themselves for their avitars. That should be an indicator as well. Do you honestly think that someone with an avitar of a mutant animal or cartoon figure, or their legs is transitioning? Do you really think that these people  are speaking from experience, wisdom, or a realistic perspective?

Maybe I am just being cynical and a negative nanny because I cant take cartoon characters seriously, LOL.

So to reiterate the world is filled with those that do and those that dont, and I suspect there is a LOT more dont's here than do's.

Katie
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Lauren5

It's difficult to be happy overall when one is stuck, not happy with themselves, their body. I try my best to stay positive, but it doesn't work sometimes.
Right now I'm especially stuck, so especially unhappy. I suspect that once I get through to my family and/or return to school I'll become happier, as I'll be able to start moving forward again, or at least try.
Quote from: Katie on December 16, 2013, 11:17:09 PMPerhaps the reason you dont see so much positivity here is because most of the women that decide to move forward dont have time to mess around with non essential activities like the internet. Sometimes I think people use the internet to live thier dreams in a virtual world. I mean think of it, this is the transsexual zone and do you see some of the posts here? Many are like totally not relevant to the topic.

So to reiterate the world is filled with those that do and those that dont, and I suspect there is a LOT more donts here than dos.

Katie
Excuse me, but as a frequent user of the internet, and a dreamer, I am insulted. I fully intend to move forward with transition, and, if it weren't for the internet, I'd be even more unhappy, because the internet is where I discovered the word transgender, what it meant, and how it applied to me.
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Tristan

I know I'm happy with how my transition ended and enjoy my life. I'm sure you can too . Just don't let the negative people pull you down. Just run your race
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MadelineB

I love my life! Transition was just one piece of learning to love myself as I am and learning to fully engage with every aspect of life. Although dysphoria almost killed me before I did something about it, it has been a joy to discover the flip side, which is just how much improvement in quality a few simple changes, such as living as a woman in every way, can bring.
I am surrounded with loving friends, family, and fans who think I am pretty damn special, and I have as much social life as I have time for.
Every week I go beyond my comfort zone in at least one way, and after a 100 weeks it adds up to a really big zone.
History, despite its wrenching pain, cannot be unlived, but if faced with courage, need not be lived again.
~Maya Angelou

Personal Blog: Madeline's B-Hive
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Joan

I think transition is a pretty daunting thing to do.

I mean, many of us have spent decades doing our absolute best to avoid it - because the idea of even trying it is so completely overwhelming.

I have finally realised there's no other way though, and I wasn't wrong! There are just so many things to think about, so many setbacks, disappointments, so many things to worry about including the threat of verbal and even physical abuse.

At the same time transition is so liberating, so exhilarating and so life affirming, with little victories along the way. There are downs, but the ups keep me moving up the path over the mountain :)

I think a bit of negativity and a bit of 'why me?' has to be inevitable. It's so good that there is a place where we can help each other out when it comes.

I try to keep some perspective on the bad days.  I love what Susan's offers for us and the support and advice I can get here, but for me it is a way station until I get through to the other side.

'Transition' can only be a phase on the way from one state to another. 
Only a dark cocoon before I get my gorgeous wings and fly away
Only a phase, these dark cafe days
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nikkit72

Quote from: Katie on December 16, 2013, 11:17:09 PM
Perhaps the reason you dont see so much positivity here is because most of the women that decide to move forward dont have time to mess around with non essential activities like the internet. Sometimes I think people use the internet to live thier dreams in a virtual world. I mean think of it, this is the transsexual zone and do you see some of the posts here? Many are like totally not relevant to the topic.


Katie

I agree with Katie here, some of the posts are irrelevant. Some of which would not be out of place in the crossdressing/transvestite area. If you have only just bought your first pair of panties and a lipstick and need to rave about it to transsexuals, you should not be posting it here. Just my opinion.

Also, some people look for negatives on sites like this to provide an excuse to remain in the closet since it is much easier than facing the world as who you perceive to be.

However, when a positive thread comes up, it's great, it's worth reading. Trouble is the post does not last as long as the negative ones.

Nikki
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Ms Grace

Joanna, it's wonderful that you're living the dream - but just because something worked out great for you it doesn't apply to everyone else. Some people are struggling and depressed, maybe because their spouse, children, parents, family, boss, lover or whoever has rejected and disowned them. Or for any number of other reasons. Most will get there in the end, with the right support. There are many regulars on this forum who do try to inject what positive, supportive thoughts and observations they can... :)
Grace
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Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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Jenna Marie

Personally, I agree with everyone else about people moving on, plus I feel guilty posting happy stuff in threads where someone is miserable. Like, for example, my marriage *improved* with transition; we're still romantically involved and more in love than ever. But I'm not gonna say that in the 90,000 threads where someone is about to get divorced!

But I got to keep my wife, my family, my job, my house, basically all the parts of my life that I cared about - and my writing career actually took off post-transition. I'm doing well. :)
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KabitTarah

I'm almost always positive. Sometimes angsty -- especially where family is involved -- but positive and optimistic.

It's sometimes a trait that can be seen as a weakness as well as a strength. I had the idea to come out to my wife because she likes to play the whole "you're gay, aren't you" game (got me... she likes it). That's how I led into being trans... and she thought I was playing. The third night (in a row) that I said it... she realized it was true. Still... her thinking it was a game reinforced my thought of her as accepting of me and "into" it. Ha.

But the optimism is NOT unfounded! Positivity leads to positivity... negativity leads to negativity. It can be difficult remaining positive with people, but when you do I think you get rewarded for it. My wife and I aren't perfect... the situation is difficult and painful... but there's a LOT of hope for the future (a future that starts for us in 2014). The current question is whether we need to divorce and separate (financially and emotionally difficult for the kids, my wife, and myself); divorce and remain together by co-owning or having an owner/leaser arrangement for the house (difficult for health care for her as a part time employee, painful for her during transition, but very good for the kids); or remaining married (great for the kids, great financially, but extraordinarily painful for my wife and I - especially down the road if either or both of us need sexual companionship).

I see those as our only three options for early to mid 2014. I personally think #2 is the best compromise for everyone, but it remains to be seen if my transition will be more painful than our separation (she'll still see me often). I have a full apartment in the house aside from a kitchen and laundry ~ which could be added at relatively high expense. She and I could see each other as little or as much as fills our need.

I'll basically need to work on a proposal for this after Christmas. (I think I'll put this in a new thread, too... sorry)
~ Tarah ~

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Mogu

For the same reason no one writes a hit biography about how their life was generally very good and satisfying with no struggle.

Happiness isn't the best conversation topic, and people need a place to spill their troubles, it's easier to do that on a forum.
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Eva Marie

Quote from: Katie on December 16, 2013, 11:17:09 PM
Do you honestly think that someone with an avitar of a mutant animal or cartoon figure, or their legs is transitioning? Do you really think that these people  are speaking from experience, wisdom, or a realistic perspective?

Seriously?

My legs are in my avatar because I am not out yet to the world. I just lost my wife a month ago due to this. I just told my parents via a letter and I expect that they will write me off too. I am now figuring out how I'm going to come out at work. I am on a transtioning dose of hormones and go out every weekend en femme. I see a therapist twice a month.

Is that serious enough for you?? Am i lacking wisdom, experience, or a realistic perspective in your eyes? It seems pretty dang realistic to me!

Time spent on the internet or a persons choice of an avatar picture is NOT a way to gauge whether or not they are serious about transitioning. I almost wrote something last night about what you wrote but decided not to; but this was just too much.
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Jenna Marie

(Yeah, I thought about saying something to that too - but technically I guess "no avatar" isn't being maligned [yet]. I have no avatar b/c I'm a fairly recognizable person in some public circles and don't want my professional contacts to know all the details of my genitalia, etc.; the choice was between being honest and helpful about my GRS [which hopefully proves I'm "serious"!] or using my face and not sharing any of that.)
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KabitTarah

I've posted my picture :P

Having the same avatar I use everywhere else is pretty damned "out" as far as I'm concerned. Right now I'm out and not telling, transitioning, and clearly male with feminine characteristics (starting HRT next week).

Maybe that bunny is transitioning, too :P :P!
~ Tarah ~

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KatelynRain

I think the OP has good intentions and is trying to say that there is a silver lining to everything, and I definitely admire her optimism!  Unfortunately, as others have said, there are people going through some difficult times during their transitions with extreme stress, such as being bullied.  Or they could be facing fear of being rejected by their loved ones or losing their jobs if they transition.  And thus, the forum is often used as a support group or a place where people can vent to others that understand what they're going through. 

Personally, I don't mind if people post topics that are sad or negative, because that is how they feel at that moment, and it's nice to have a forum that they don't have to repress their emotions.  Sometimes, people going through a difficult time are able to get great advice from people who have been through it already.  I would definitely encourage people who are upset, stressed out, and depressed to post about their situation.  There really is a light at the end of the tunnel.

And for those who have reached the light in the tunnel, it's nice to see their positive posts too because it reminds us that amazing things can happen when we don't give up. 

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kathyk

We all had needs that brought us to Susan's in the first place, and we need to respect each others reasons for posting.  I'm not trying to argue with, or admonish any of you.  Just asking that you accept the fact that we aren't identical beings, and although we have the same goal we don't follow the same timeline or path. 

I struggled through February of last year, and I found support here on Susan's when there was no other place to immediately go to vent my fear and frustration.  That's what Susan's is all about ... giving and receiving the support we need to get past the difficult beginnings.  My life is fantastic now even if I still have trouble dealing with my family.  And you know what? ...  I post those family problems here on Susan's and get advice.  As usual I read all the replies, and take what fits.  And again, that's what Susan's is all about.

As for trivial posts, I'll admit to posting in them and starting a few.  I see nothing wrong with it, and maybe those posts even brighten a gloomy day for some of the girls.  The light-hearted threads don't contribute to anything serious, but it doesn't hurt anyone either.  After all, we aren't all social butterflies, and many of us are comfortable with a smaller circle of friends, and a more personally centered lifestyle (caution - I didn't say Self Centered).  We use our spare time and evenings in many different ways, and find pleasure in vastly different experiences.  I don't rock climb, run 10 miles a day, or go to dance clubs, but I love knowing some of you enjoy those activities.   So please don't demean me or anyone else for not being equally active, socially capable, or for having to struggle as we find a different path to transition. 

Anyway, I'll stay here on Susan's because I still need advice at times, and I like reading the posts that draw my attention.  You girls who are far ahead of me give me hope, and those following will sometimes allow me to help.  Yea, I'd rather not have the needs that grew out of my GID, and would gratefully spend my entire day doing something else if that had been gifted to me.  But I have those needs, and since I don't recreate or work 24/7 I spend some time online.

Take care girls.  Love and peace.  K





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MadelineB

I will name no names, but I believe an important distinction should be made.
There is more than one type of negativity, and I am very much against lumping them together.

One is internal, to be overcome over time, often with the help of therapy, but also through the accumulation of new experiences that allow one to correct their dark inner dialogue and replace old expectations with new expectations that better fit their new way of being and of seeing things. This site in particular is intended to be a safe forum where people can open up about their internal negativity, and through the support and understanding they gain interacting with others, be healed of it.

Internal negativity can further be divided into pessimism, and self-judgement/self-loathing/self-abuse.

Often the only way we can learn whether our expectations and thoughts are too pessimistic or too optimistic is to try them out in real life, through our own self-realizations and transformations. If anyone has been in group therapy, you will know that the moderator encourages people to talk about their own lives and their own feelings and thoughts, using "I" statements, listening to others, and being both supportive and supported.

Abuse is not tolerated in those circles and doesn't belong here either; judging is a form of abuse when it is applied to others without their request or consent. It is ok to say 'sounds like you are venting; I will not offer advice since you haven't asked for it, but I do want you to know I am listening and I care'.

A second type of negativity is similar to the first, but it is when we project our personal pessimism onto other people, and generalize as if our own fears and own experiences apply to everyone. Words like "never", "doesn't matter anyway", "always" are good indicators. When mixed with words like "you", "they", and "everyone", you've got the projection of pessimism. Because so many of us have experienced deep rejection, isolation, and hardship in our lives, it is easy to project that onto the future for our self and for others. I have seen many people here go from having a deeply pessimistic view about their life and the chances of anyone "like them" for true happiness, to actually finding their own path through the muck and eventually leaving the dark behind them. The reason the whole world seems to change when we do is because we are transforming how we perceive and relate to the whole world.

Another type is the negativity projected onto others by smug, arrogant, hurtful, judging, "transier than thou" "real transsexuals" or "real" this and that, who project their judgments onto others to further marginalize them and put them down. I hope I am not seeing it here. Abusive comments that masquerade as wiser, more experienced, more vaginally-authentic individuals passing judgement on those who haven't or won't go through the same steps and make the same choices they say they have made.
Eventually these folks give up, fade away, or if their abuse is egregious enough, are perma-banned, but they can do incredible damage along the way, as they pop into a support site to pass snide remarks and judgments disguised as wisdom. Sometimes people like this do get help, and after treatment for their NPD, BPD, or other deep-seated psychopathology or judgment-altering substance abuse, will come back and apologize for all the harm they did to others, and try to make amends to the best of their ability. Others stay offensive, unkind, and cruel for life. Channeling one's anger and hate, and projecting it onto the "other" can be a very addictive outlet. Abusers almost always believe "it is for your own good" or "you made me do it".

Personally, I prefer one hundred discouraged, pessimistic, suffering strugglers sharing their feelings, to even one of the abusive "I know better than you know" types.

History, despite its wrenching pain, cannot be unlived, but if faced with courage, need not be lived again.
~Maya Angelou

Personal Blog: Madeline's B-Hive
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evecrook

I hope I don't come off as a negative nancy  . I'm glad I found this site through my transition. I ask a lot of questions because I'm curious . I don't design questions to provoke but rather to try to get answers for myself. I know some one asked a question that triggered me and I asked a totally provocative question back, which was taken off. I crave information. I've lived like every else around with this womanhood thing eating at me all my life. I'm extremely happy at this moment in my life. I'm living as I've always wanted to live. I got a ways to go ,but I'm getting there. Some of my questions have gone on unintended tangents. I'm transsexual and I want to know more about who I am. I've found such a commonality amongst us that's amazing. I thought I was all alone and I'm not.
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kathyk

Quote from: MadelineB on December 17, 2013, 09:45:18 AM
Personally, I prefer one hundred discouraged, pessimistic, suffering strugglers sharing their feelings, to even one of the abusive "I know better than you know" types.
Thank you for saying this Madeline.  Big hugs, and both thumbs up.

Quote from: evecrook on December 17, 2013, 09:49:42 AM
I hope I don't come off as a negative nancy.  ....  I don't design questions to provoke but rather to try to get answers for myself. ....  I'm transsexual and I want to know more about who I am. I've found such a commonality amongst us that's amazing. I thought I was all alone and I'm not.

Ask away.  This is how we learn who we are, and help us find what makes us comfortable in transition.  You always have a lot of replies, so obviously your asking the right questions.  I don't read all your threads, as you most likely don't read all mine.  But I know you're there, and that you're looking for honest information.

And if a question is too provocative I'm sure a moderator sends you an PM.  I've been corrected about inappropriate statements in the past, and it's part of learning.  So I'm sure I'll be corrected again at some point in the future.   :)





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